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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Garik

    Garik Member

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    Greetings everyone. I'm a new member and a Dr. Martens fan. Only yesterday I had a (hopefully) great bargain on what seems a truly vintage Solovair/DM pair of boots in an excellent unworn condition. Does anyone have any idea as to how old they might be? I can't find any info on this particular style marked as 983T 7336. Do you think this is a worthy purchase?
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  2. Lasttye

    Lasttye Senior member

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    I was in the London Borough of Brent at that time. Previously lived in Paddington, off the Harrow Road. The Catholic school system meant that the catchment area went from inner London right out to Watford. From your name and the description of your school, you would not seem to have been part of that. Our only common ground is your statement that people tended not to go up West for a night out. Top Rank Watford, Burton's Uxbridge, Oldfield Greenford, Birds Nest Harrow etc. Kilburn, Cricklewood and nearby I would be at Irish places like The Galtymore; but I doubt you would have been inside those places in the 1960s.
    I came off the Carlton House estate West Kilburn, I went to school at Alyestone High Queens park, Most of my mates had Irish backgrounds, and went to School at St Georges Maid Vale, also Cardinal Hensley..Harlesden, many Kilburn Skinhead Girls went to the Convent of Jesus and Mary also in Harlesden, I did get in the Galtymore Crickelwood in the early 70s. My ex Wife who i dated as a Skinhead girl came from Shirland road, which is off the Harrow road Paddington, I was born in St Marys Hostpital Harrow road Paddington, I still live in Central London. Someone on this site has pointed out to me that you have been taking the piss out of us Original skinheads on another web site. that we lack education. Skinheads came from Working class.. off the Estates of inner London, I left school in 69 with not one exam result, my mates was the same. I like MoM and others put stuff on here in the hope its of interest to others , if you have a problem with this dont read the shit.
     
  3. Get Smart

    Get Smart Senior member

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    Greetings everyone. I'm a new member and a Dr. Martens fan. Only yesterday I had a (hopefully) great bargain on what seems a truly vintage Solovair/DM pair of boots in an excellent unworn condition. Does anyone have any idea as to how old they might be? I can't find any info on this particular style marked as 983T 7336. Do you think this is a worthy purchase?
    those look brand new, which is amazing for being vintage. Do they fit you or did you get it for a "collection"? I dont believe keeping things new for sake of it, but those I almost might just for the history of them. But couldnt tell you much about them other than they appear to be the original brown color that DMs came in and doesnt have the yellow welt stitch (good). Hopefully someone else that was around at the time might know more about them specifically.
    Someone on this site has pointed out to me that you have been taking the piss out of us Original skinheads on another web site. that we lack education. Skinheads came from Working class.. off the Estates of inner London, I left school in 69 with not one exam result, my mates was the same. I like MoM and others put stuff on here in the hope its of interest to others , if you have a problem with this dont read the shit.
    that's the thing about all these forums...when you post on one, you may as well be posting on several since there are so many lurkers that read all the various forae but never make their presence known. With Kingstonian presenting his PoV here a more well rounded picture of late 60s London could be painted. and if there are disagreements about how things were, I think that can only help clarify it all in the end since everyone's experiences differ even at the same time and place.
     
  4. Little Queenie

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    sorry to go off subject all, but does any of you originals remember anybody wearing collar less grandad shirts ? I've read about them somewhere and saw a chap recently in a fitted one, cuffs back, worn with a sleeveless jumper and it looked great. I'm thinking of 1920's type shirt - the ones where you could take the collar off if you know what I mean, i know the hippies wore nehru type shirts, Macca always seemed to have had one on. But is this another local late 70's revival thing? Or did you originals really want to look like Albert Steptoe and yer actual Alf Garnett ?
    And no, I'm not taking the piss...


    Hello Bunty,

    Yes, grandad shirts were worn by Skinheads up here (North East of England) and at least down as far as Merseyside / Manchester area, my boyfriend reckons. Grandad vests were worn as well. They were both part of the early look '67 - '68.
     
  5. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    Hello Bunty,

    Yes, grandad shirts were worn by Skinheads up here (North East of England) and at least down as far as Merseyside / Manchester area, my boyfriend reckons. Grandad vests were worn as well. They were both part of the early look '67 - '68.


    Blimey - that's a totally new one one me! Not something I ever saw.
     
  6. Lasttye

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    Blimey - that's a totally new one one me! Not something I ever saw.
    I was in Selfridges in Oxford street earlier, Levis are doing a vintage label,Granddad vest/shirt a cool £48 lol
     
  7. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    I was in Selfridges in Oxford street earlier, Levis are doing a vintage label,Granddad vest/shirt a cool £48 lol

    Ya don't say! [​IMG]
     
  8. Ancillotti

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    sorry to go off subject all, but does any of you originals remember anybody wearing collar less grandad shirts ? I've read about them somewhere and saw a chap recently in a fitted one, cuffs back, worn with a sleeveless jumper and it looked great. I'm thinking of 1920's type shirt - the ones where you could take the collar off if you know what I mean, i know the hippies wore nehru type shirts, Macca always seemed to have had one on. But is this another local late 70's revival thing? Or did you originals really want to look like Albert Steptoe and yer actual Alf Garnett ?
    And no, I'm not taking the piss...


    Hello Bunty
    Around about 1981 "grandad shirts" were general fashion around here, in the style that you're describing. Millets sold them (as well as many boutiques) slim fit without a separate collar. This made them easily available, so the skins of the day wore them.
    Steptoe and yer actual Alf were both caricature working class men of a previous generation and skinhead style contained an element of exaggerated (caricature) working class male appearance (coarse boots, braces, old man's shirt, old mans cardy, close cut hair, work coat (donkey jacket)), so the idea of looking like them is not so inconceivable.
    Originally in the North, as has already been said, grandad shirts were worn as part of the above style which I believe originated towards the east of London, differing from the slicker style that emanated from the West. These shirts were the old fashioned baggy ones, not the ones from the 80's.
     
  9. Garik

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    those look brand new, which is amazing for being vintage. Do they fit you or did you get it for a "collection"? I dont believe keeping things new for sake of it, but those I almost might just for the history of them. But couldnt tell you much about them other than they appear to be the original brown color that DMs came in and doesnt have the yellow welt stitch (good). Hopefully someone else that was around at the time might know more about them specifically.

    Thanks for replying. Initially I got them planning to wear them, but now I do want to spare these beautiful things just for the sake of "love for art". Still I'm not sure and I'm not keen on keeping intact "collector's items" either. I got them without the box or labels. They do look brand new, but have that distinctive "old" smell and the eyelets have some green oxidation marks. They feel narrower than the marked size 8. I'm sure I'll be able to break them in though.
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  10. Get Smart

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    ^^ if you dont mind disclosing, where'd you find them and how much? If you prefer not to that's fine, just curious!
     
  11. Little Queenie

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    Hello Browniecj,

    Where have you been? Put a 2/- bit in the meter and come and talk to us!
     
  12. Garik

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    ^^ if you dont mind disclosing, where'd you find them and how much? If you prefer not to that's fine, just curious!

    Well, some steel toe cap boots apparently of the same era, condition, workmanship, colour and materials can be had from here.
     
  13. harrysgame

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    QUOTE=Darksideoftheforce;3933771]I've been thinking of purchasing a pair of these. They're called Corcoran jump boots or US paratrooper boots. A little on the pricy side but they do look like brogues with trousers rolled down. You can wear them with suits with no one none the wiser. The older World War 2 corcoran jumpboots at the bottom on the other hand has a certain vintage "Doc Martenesque" quality to them. Anyone agree? Does anyone wear a pair of these?


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    I like the first pair a lot and would definatly wear them if i could get some in the UK.
     
  14. Lasttye

    Lasttye Senior member

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    Try Silvermans, Mile End.
     
  15. harrysgame

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    get one from the Gap, they fit great and are $50 or less on sale. Use the remaining $250 on something worthwhile. Baracuta jackets, no matter what size or slim fit or whatever, fit like shit, and are ridiculously overpriced.

    My Baracuta's fit perfect. Never paid full price for one though.
     
  16. Dr Huh?

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    My Baracuta's fit perfect. Never paid full price for one though.

    Funny you should reply to that poster, as I have since bought a jacket. After my sister gave me an Old Navy gift card, I was a bit stymied as to what to buy, as I'm not a fan of their stuff. But I was able to find this jacket, and with the gift card bought it for around $10.

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  17. bumper crop

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    i just wanted to jump on here and say thanks to all the folks who have taken the time to tell their stories. this is about the only thread on here that i follow these days.

    i'm mostly on hot rod forums since it's mostly what i'm into.

    but i was on the fringe of the early-mid 80s revival in new england, and man, this thread brings back some memories, and sets some history straight. good reading. great education.
     
  18. OHT

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    To M-o-M and all the other resourceful individuals: Why did most Rude Boys stay Rude Boys? Also, I know you guys didn't give yourselves the name skinhead but when the whole skinhead thing was happening did you still consider/call yourselves Mods or did you just see too much difference that you knew you moved past Mod?
     
  19. Man-of-Mystery

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    I know you guys didn't give yourselves the name skinhead but when the whole skinhead thing was happening did you still consider/call yourselves Mods or did you just see too much difference that you knew you moved past Mod?
    I moved down from Lancashire to London in summer 1968. Up north we still called ourselves mods (and by the way it was a scene which took in all social classes). When I got down to the London area I recall going to Bromley (Kent) and approaching a bunch of people in a Wimpy Bar just to ask where our type of people tended to hang out. When I used the term "mod" they all laughed, not unkindly, and said, "What? What?" So I asked them what they did call themselves if not mods; they said they didn't call themselves anything really, but some people called them 'totters', and that they were kind of what was left of the mods. They told me about a weekly disco at the youth club in Bromley, and about the Witchdoctor/Savoy in Catford. There I found a mix of soul/Tamla/reggae music, and folk who dressed like me but without the competitive edge that mods up north had. Chris Welch's article of course still categorised them/us as 'mods', but there were all kinds of names which were applied to us - skinheads, lemon heads, spike heads, peanuts, totters, and so on - some of which would have got you a knuckle sandwich if you had used them. But actually we didn't see much difference. At least not until the competitive element crept back in with the really sharp skinhead look of 1969. But we still thought of the look as 'modern', and as Little Queenie has reminded me in a roundabout way, you could still find one or two people who described themselves as 'mods'. In general you don't notice a look changing radically until it has happened. One day you notice someone in a pair of brogue shoes from the Squire Shop and you like the style so you buy some. Another day you notice someone in a Harrington, or Stay-Prest, or a particular pattern of shirt, and ditto. Suddenly it's 1969 and you don't look how you looked in 1968. You know how it goes. Anyhow we were a damn sight cooler than yer average hoodie! [​IMG]
     
  20. Ikouja

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    they're ok. nice selection of checks. their cotton is a bit hard feeling to me. fit is slim at chest/shoulder, but kind of big thru body so almost no taper to the shape, had to have mine taken in a bit. Prefer other similar shirts like Mikkel Rude, Jump the Gun, DNA Groove, etc. where I can wear out of the bag with no tailoring
    I can vouch for this since I recently bought one myself, the shirt is cut very weird, it feels like it's too small in the shoulders/chest but I think the seam is just weird. The stomach area is too baggy and a little long (Not a big deal since you'll almost always be wearing it tucked in, and a plus is that it won't untuck as easily). If you were planning on wearing it in the summer untucked it would probably be too long unfortunately.
    Someone was asking about 3/4" braces. I found these online. I cannot vouch for them, but I need to buy some as the ongoing weight loss has reached a point where a belt doesn't do the trick and I'm not quite ready yet to size down in the trousers department. http://www.suspenders.com/thin-suspe...row_Suspenders
    In my opinion 3/4-inch braces are too wide in solid colors, I really like vintage striped ones in 3/4-inch though. I think I saw you post earlier you're in Baltimore? I live near Baltimore (Edgewood, there is nothing here, it's out in Harford County) but don't get out enough to the Soul Club or shows at all, I should be getting pretty active in the scene as soon as I get my car situation worked out though.
     

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