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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    Clouseau,These Minets were wealthy playboys,but did any of their look/image filter down too working class lads ?....we have seen that the original Mod look got diluted and taken up by a mass of people,was there anything like that in Paris ?
     
  2. bunty

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    Great photos Mr Knightley, superb cycling gear.

    I like the idea of a safari jacket but I think to many of my age, Rod Hull has buggered that look up good and proper.

    I don't know if we ever had the whole film of the Frankie Vaughn and the Glasgow gangs posted on here? Remember the photos and short youtube clip last year?

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    The whole documentary -
    Great viewing, apologies if it's been seen before.
     
  3. Clouseau

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    Actually yes, i think we talked a little of it before. The timeline of the "Minets" is from Mod to Suedehead to even after. First wave of Minets were mostly parisian posh kids, but soon middle class boys and girls coming from the suburbs became "minets & minettes", and then the original "Minet'" look got diluted and you could find "minets" everywhere in France, coming from middle class and working class. They became a sort of institution that lasted to the eighties. But they had almost nothing to do with the originals from the Drugstore and the Champs Elysées area, who never called themselves "Minets". Remember that the word "Minet" was at first pejorative, like the word Skinhead was in the beginning.
     
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  4. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    So it became a fashion that you could buy in the shops,like Mod here ? ( and later,skinhead or punk ),and what happened to the original ones when this happened ?
     
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    It's not exactly the same. On the contrary of Mod (or Punk, or skinhead, etc) "Minet" style stayed in France and didn't export to other countries. And it was more a style than a fashion. The originals ones, as usual, moved on. Their successors interpreted the style. When they couldn't afford JM Weston loafers for example, they bought Sebago loafers, they didn't have fancy cars, etc. When it became sort of mainstream it wasn't really related to the origins. And now, "Minets" are completely forgotten. Renoma had a huge success in the sixties and seventies. I red an interview where he said : " In 1970, every boy in Paris had to wear something from Renoma if he wanted to just date a girl." Today, Renoma is a small brand, with a rich history, but quite confidential. He doesn't sale much abroad, like he used to do in the seventies.
     
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  6. cerneabbas

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    About 3 years ago,I decided to buy a safari jacket,and wear it with cords and desert boots...I bought some cords and desert boots but I couldn't find a safari jacket and then I saw a picture of Roger Moore as 007 wearing a safari jacket and I lost interest in the idea.
     
  7. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    Clousea,That is a very interesting post IMO,we could compare our "originals" from the London area with the original Minets,when the look spread outside of London the blokes in Manchester/Bristol etc didn't have the Ivy shop or Squire shop so they had to interpret the look too ( regional differences ),then the younger ones came along and they would know very little about the original Ivy league influences ?.
    You say that the Minets are completely forgotten now ,but really it is part of social history and I think that is quite important.
     
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    Around 73 I recall suede Safari jackets crossing my radar.i think it was about the same time as the chunky shawl collar/belted wrap around 3/4 sweaters .
     
  9. Man-of-Mystery

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    Mentioning the apparent time difference between supporters of some clubs, you just reminded me of something. I am sure I can remember supporters of more than one 'urban' team taunting rival supporters from 'country backwater' towns with an adapted version of the 'Somerset National Anthem' (a song a lot older than this video).

    I'm racking my brains to remember the match I first heard it at, but I think it was Blackpool v Oxford Utd. It was the early 70s, I'd done my usual thing of seeing if there was a match I fancied going to in London, and there wasn't, but I saw that Oxford were at home to Blackpool, so I had a day out. I'm sure I heard the 'Pool fans singing, in exaggerated 'Mummersetshire' accents:

    Oi carnt read, Oi carnt wroite
    But it don't really mattur.
    Coz I come from Oxfurd Town,
    And Oi can droive a tractur


    But I'm sure someone will tell me Blackpool and Oxford United weren't in the same League Division in the early 70s and never played each other in the Cup either, so I must be dreaming again! :D
     
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    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    M. l'Inspecteur! I remember them!
     
  11. Clouseau

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    I meant by the "grand public", the majority here, MoM.
     
  12. cerneabbas

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    M-o-M,Oxford and Blackpool were in division 2 in 74 /75 certainly,I went to both away games with Bristol Rovers....I cant imagine that Blackpool had many supporters at Oxford ?,they never brought many to Bristol,it was a long horrible journey,I remember that we stopped at a service station in Staffordshire that had a bridge across the motorway and a coach load of Man Utd supporters came over the bridge to say hello !
    Oxford was an easy trip for us and we took thousands,always loads of trouble...I meant to say about Oxford before they came to Bristol City late 60s? or 70/71 a load of skinheads wearing builders hats went onto the East end ( Citys Kop ) I remember it being talked about at school.
    About the song,we used to sing that ourselves ! and loads of early Wurzels songs like Drink up thee cider,with suitable aggro related variations in the words.
     
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    Never had it as a Suit,but I do remember having a Dusky Pink(Brushed Denim)Jacket and a pair of Bottle Green(Brushed Denin)Trousers.A DB Blazer with wide Lapels as well.That lasted years....:)
     
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    We must have seen the diluted "Minet" Fashion when French Students came over,in the 60s.As I have said before very smart.You could also tell Parisienne Students from the rest though.
     
  15. Clouseau

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    Browniecj, i think it wasnt too "diluted" in the 60s. You maybe have seen some originals (or when an original Skinhead run into original Minets...), at the time only wealthy French kids went to England, i guess. They brought back English college scarves and caps, part of the "Minet" look. The Minet style probably diluted in the mid seventies.
    I think, like Cerneabbas, that you can compare (to a certain point) Minets and Suedeheads. Both were influenced by Ivy league, and both styles were born in capital cities. Both were offshots of mods, didn't like the new psychedelic peacock mods, and were listening to the music of the time. Of course, haircuts and shoes were quite different (no crops or cherrry reds for Minets), but not always, as Minets appreciated loafers (with or without tassel), brogues, macs, BD, Levi's, etc.
    Londoners had the Ivy shop and the Squire shop, Parisians had the White House (where the Renoma brothers, in the beginning, sold American and English clothing too), and the Drugstore who was a kind of select shop. Then you could find the clobber in other shops, and it left the capital town to spread the country...
    My interpretation, of course, i was 5 years old at the time...

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    "Zouzou", a Face from the Drugstore gang
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  16. PurplePillEater

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    Thank you for all the information about "minets". I think I remember a documentary about them... or not? Maybe just read something in another forum.
     
  17. Clouseau

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    Unfortunately, i don't know any documentary about "Minets". There is a movie, "La bande du Drugstore", but it's a fiction.
    [​IMG]
    More of Zouzou. Nice looking girl.
     
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  18. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    Clouseau.I was thinking about these Minets and Mods ( and Suedeheads ),also the other subject we have talked about recently,lack of quality clothing...so do you think that it would now be possible for any group of people to make their own "look" in a similar way to Minets or Mods etc ?
     
  19. Clouseau

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    Sure it's possible. But there is (maybe?) a lack of imagination for sometimes now...
     
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  20. browniecj

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    Ok,thanks for that Clouseau.Now I have in my minds eye what the French Students were wearing.One of the things I can remember were the Girls wearing Knee Length Skirts in a dark Tartan-with Flat(maybe)Loafer Style Shoes.This would be `69/`70.Guildford had many,many French Students staying there.
     

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