...oh shhhhit, me getting senile - just looked them up again and they are Bass Weejuns - but the question about quality remains... Rest assured on the quality issue. Weejuns were always the British skinhead's loafer of choice, when he could afford them and when he could find them. By the way, what German team do you support? Having grown up in Notting Hill my nearest team was QPR and so it has always been QPR for me. They're in the Championship League at the moment, which is directly under the Premier League.