I know what it was in 69, only a kid but it was a fashion, most of my slightly older uncles, aunts and cousins were skinheads and it even impact on kids like me who were 8 or 9 - but I was a kid and wouldnt claim to be a skinhead then no matter what clothes I wore and haircut. But you didnt really answer my question, it would have been your perception of what was happening in 77-84 rather than experience. As I've said in another post it wasn't just one wave but a number, based on the year, the age of the people involved and even location - met many over the period from Paisley to Ferryhill to Coventry who looked the part. I also do know about the soulscene in London,even as a suedehead and into the mod scene I still drank in Hoxton, Hackney Road and Bethnal Green and most of my mates were into it, some going to the Goldmine etc. My brother, who became a skinhead at the same time as me but stopped after awhile, used to drink at all of these places in 78 and up the Edward at the Angel and over Tower Bridge Road and the Blue and they, not being soul boys or skinheads or mod, had their own look, like many other blokes in these areas, straight jeans and cords - think fiorucci was in around 78/79? - lacoste, burberry macs, kickers amongst other brands and their look for me influenced the later casual look. I know a bit about the Casuals as well as into the early 80s many of us from 77-78 had evolved in the football casual scene - a quite a few went into the later rave scene. Appreciate your comment on aspirational dressing but why do you think that a good many in the period in 77-84 into either skinhead or mod also didnt have this approach? That was what is was all about for many of us. Does that mean that all in the soul boy scene looked great? I'd beg to differ on that seeing what some of my mates wore! and listening to Patrick Juvet, good help us! The bonehead look, for my two pennyworth, is probably that some didnt want the traditional look and wanted something of their own, more aggressive, possibly influenced by the politicalisation of some at the time.... my personal hate around that time was the growing number around the West End, glued up and begging, looking like punks and then the facial tatoos... wasnt part of my scene but unfortunately if you ask some today on what a skinhead is it will be that image or a nazi bonehead that figures highly Personally wouldn't listen listen to either Roy Ayers or Bad Manners.... Bad Manners were exactly what they looked like, a Top of the Pops band for younger kids.