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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Basset

    Basset Senior member

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    Enjoying your posts regarding your memorys of this period, i've managed to pick up a couple of pairs of shoes with this sort of shape,
    like yourself i wear them with wider/parrallel style trousers, for some reason shoes of this style seem to ruffle peoples feathers, French flares?
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  2. buttons

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    Well said. Often the more fashionable something is at the time, the quicker it goes out of fashion and is first to be mocked later. That doesn't detract from its credibility at the time.

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    My money's on them being Manchester lads, possibly even Man Utd.
     
  3. Basset

    Basset Senior member

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    I went to my parents over the weekend, and mentioned Baseball boots, mother confirmed that i'd had umpteen pairs as a kid,
    bought from various places ( cheap ) including as Pressure Drop mentioned Woolworths, also mentioned the term bumper boots
    the old man said it rang a bell but was unsure, he also said that as a kid he wanted a pair but his dad wouldn't let him have them,
    im assuming this was pre Teddy boy days for him, Baseball boots and youth, a long standing association?

    My Baseball boots summer 75
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  4. Gsvs5

    Gsvs5 Senior member

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    Those Plainfronts are very nice indeed.Great toe shape and colour.
    The French flares had an inverted pleat that ran down the outside leg seam.Some of them also had a V "Yoke" panel at the back,similar to the way jeans are constructed.They were short lived,about the same time as the stack heel shoes.
    I just got back from a week in Barcelona/Ibiza and to my surprise i noticed that a lot of the kids ( lads and girls ) were wearing........
    White Baseball Boots !!
     
  5. Basset

    Basset Senior member

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    Thanks for the info and comments.

    I can confirm as a father to a soon to be fourteen year old daughter, that white Baseball boots are ' well in '
    had to buy some for her a little while ago, although her and a lot of her mates call them ' hightops '
    i dunno youth eh [​IMG]
     
  6. Sirryacus

    Sirryacus Senior member

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    Never been a fan of white sneakers of any kind I can't be bothered to keep them clean, the ones you were wearing Basset are definately modeled off the classic American PF Flyers, I believe Woolworths was an American company as well ironically it went on much longer in the UK than he did here, those baseball boots technically are high tops when I was your daughters age everybody was wearing skate shoes bigger than a taxi cab.
     
  7. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    The phrase 'dustbin of history' comes to mind...
     
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  8. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    roytonboy.Thanks for another great read,i hope that you reconsider yor premature ( IMO) retirement from writing quality posts,i am sure i am not the only one who has enjoyed them and as they are set in the "time" and include a lot of style obsevations i think that they are most relevant.You confirm my own experiences of going to a game by car,ok if its a place with no opposition but somewhere dodgy you have to go with the mob and stick together.We used to travel in transit vans quite a lot,not mini bus just an ordinary van,bit of cardboard to sit on flagon of cider and off you go,we used to get about 15/18 in them sometimes,that can be a handy little crew when you pull up at traffic lights near the ground you are visiting.You ask about Bristol,i am answering from a 60s point of view ( everythings changed now )yes largely geographical,south of the river and Somerset =City ( some individuals or enclaves Rovers) east Bristol and Gloucestershire =Rovers ( again some exceptions) and North/northwest Bristol split,some of the enclaves/exceptions maybe explained by bus routes ? all IMO and expect Pressure_Drop to have a different view.A question that i have to ask is how on earth did Scousers ( blue or red ) get this humorous,knowledgeable,good lads reputation with football commentators,when most of us who visited as away suppporters come away with such a different idea ?.
     
  9. Clouseau

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    About the appellation" French flares". Just a supposition, but i think it may come first from the Renoma trousers wore by the Minets, that were the first (in France) that were wide in the bottoms.
    Then, i think that it comes from the shop "New man", open in 1965, that later became a brand. At first, the shop sold American clothes wore by the Minets: corduroy levi's, Fruit of the loom, oxford BD.
    In 1966, "New man" began to make his own trousers, called the "wide & low". Between 1966 and 1971, those trousers became very popular in France and abroad. They existed in jeans and mainly in corduroy, were low waisted, had a zipper, and were flared. Lots of colors too.
    "New man" became mainstream, and the brand still exists today.

    Source: "Des modes et des hommes" by Farid Chenoune. Mr Knightley, thanks too you i learned the existence of this book that i borrowed from the public library. The French version is sold out too...
     
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  10. roytonboy

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    cerneabbas - thanks for the positive feedback. I agree with your comments about scousers. Among my mates, red or blue, trips to Merseyside were acknowledged to be the most hair-raising. I remember reading Chris Lightbown's (I hope that's right) "Skinhead Guide To Safety" in the Sunday Times during that period, however, and he cited Old Trafford and Maine Road as the worst places for a visiting fan - Maine Road?!? - surely not!

    The reason I asked about geography is that this has an impact on the skinhead/greaser split of a group of fans. The more inner city, the more skinhead influence, the more outskirts or rural, the bigger the greaser contingent was likely to be.
     
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  11. Mr Knightley

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    Quote:New Man opened their own shop in Mayfair in the early 80s called 'Bip' after a famous French clown I believe. I wore their stuff briefly in the late 70s / early 80s. Good quality and interesting designs I recall. John Simons sold very nice 'French flares' in 1970 for a year or two. I had one or two pairs.
     
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    Quote:And what a stylish period that was. I was just too young to participate being only 13 when that pic would have been taken. I suppose, looking back, my love of that mid 60s look influenced my own interpretation of skinhead, spurning as I did some of the more extreme elements and pursuing more of a West London take on it.
     
  13. Ed Vaughan

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    My money's on them being Manchester lads, possibly even Man Utd.

    [/quote] Definitely not United fans with the scarf the boy in the Evvaprest jacket is wearing.

    Were it in colour, I reckon that was the black and red of City's 'away' strip. (See Clouseau's excellent enlargement of the pic.)
    (I could be wrong, though.) :satisfied:

    FTR: those Evvaprest jackets - green, brown, blue and black (you could get matching trousers, too), a BD shirt, a pair of Levi's and DM's were perfectly acceptable for youth club/hanging around in, in Manchester, c1970.
     
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  14. roytonboy

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    My money's on them being Manchester lads, possibly even Man Utd.[/QUOTE]

    Hmmm..... such a pity it's not in colour, the scarf would tell us. It's not red and white, and it's certainly not a City Scarf as we had the 3 colours with wide and narrow bands. HOWEVER, by season 1971/72 when I estimate this to have been taken, the styles and hair length would be bang on for Manchester AND both sets of fans had taken to wearing their away colours as scarves - Red and Black for City, Blue and Yellow for United - that lad's scarf could easily be either of those. The only other option would be claret and blue suggesting Aston Villa (wrong division), Burnley (wrong division) or West Ham which would mean it's probably the season before.

    If it IS City away at Nottingham Forest then it's probably the very match I described in a recent post.
     
  15. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    roytonboy.I think it said somewhere that the picture was from 1970,i had thought it could be West Ham as they played Forest and City in February 1971,could it be a Wolves scarf ?. I think that the 4 lads behind the scarf wearer pretty well epitomise the look around that time and as flyfronted remarked the clothes look right on 14/15 year olds.I dont remember seeing a radio like that coppers wearing,is that the aerial over his shoulder ? looks like the radio off of a police motorbike,nice beard.Maybe someone can recognise the badge on the coppers helmet ?.Thanks to Ed for magnifying the picture.
     
  16. cerneabbas

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    harrysgame.I thought he must be in his 60s. Do you know if the green harrington was a fashion at Chelsea ?,i was told that it was and worn with olive sta prest but the bloke who told me is a bit of a "story teller".
     
  17. buttons

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    reason I said it was the lad second right from the fat copper - looks a lot like the lad after Besty's autograph, in the same mac but different coloured sta press.
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    I know you don't have to be Man Utd to want the autograph of such a star player but it makes more sense for the local lads to be hanging round the training ground.
    Its not '69 or GB would have had longer hair. Late '70-'71 I reckon.
     
  18. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    I remember him from when the programme came out,he is on a coach to Bristol and he says something like "if any filthy northerner spits on me i will break a bottle in his head "something like that ,another gem was that we would know they were Londoners because they were so smart ....BTW there was no real trouble at that game,but later that night when the cameras were gone,in the centre of Bristol there was and i can understand how Millwall got their reputation.
     
  19. Gsvs5

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    Didn't, New Man have the small metal triangle logo on everything? I always hated that.I think they had a shop on S Molton St around that time.It was always the first street I headed for in those years.
     

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