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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. browniecj

    browniecj Senior member

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    Listening to the News today,concerning this "Heatwave"we are having here-and the many deaths that have occurred through people swimming in "open water".Back in the 50s and 60s most Towns and Cities had "Open-Air" Swimming Pools.There was never the number of deaths(that are occurring now).Due to cut-backs by Councils etc.,,there are only a few that are still open today.If you lived by the Sea you could pop down to the Beach,but as Summer went on the queues of traffic going to the Coast got longer and longer.The local "Lido" was a good option.It was also somewhere you could go with your Girlfriend or go with your Mates and do some "chatting up".Guildford Lido was a good place for this,there were grass areas where you could sit away from the swimmers.This Lido is still open but I know of many who have not made it((West Ham Lido was closed in `87).Had good times at the Lido. :)
     
  2. elwood

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    Drinks & drinking.

    Didn't attempt to get served in a pub, or succeed, until about 71/ 72 when about 14/ 15. Until then, relied on buying from off licences ("it's for Dad"): cider (usually Bulmers Woodpecker - sweeter- but occasionally Strongbow) and cans of Long Life ( ring pulls were just coming in so you didn't need a can opener to pierce the top).

    Never went for draught sherry. That was usually dispensed from pot (porcelain) barrels and was typically sold in chemists' shops (pharmacies), possibly so the little old ladies who took their own bottles in to be filled could maintain their respectability by claiming it was "medicinal". (As an aside, Yates' Wine Lodge in Blackpool was reputed to sell Australian Champagne on draught - but that might have been an urban legend.)

    When I started going in pubs, mainly drank bitter which was from fairly local breweries: Wilson's (Manchester) or Thwaites (Blackburn) usually. But if we went further afield it might be Holts, Robinsons (Stockport), Samuel Smiths (Tadcaster) or J.W. Lees (Oldham). The last - J.W. stood for John William - had an advertising line that always made the girls snigger: "Mine's a John Willie".

    Didn't drink lager much at all then. (Dark) Mild was an occasional choice: Chester's (Manchester) or Thwaites' Danny Keg. Spirits were drunk very rarely; just too dear for our age group. Can't remember having anything other than whisky & dry (ginger ale) when we could afford it. Pernod was popular with girls though.

    About girls in pubs. Until the Sex Discrimination Act came in 1975 (?) there was always a room that was men only - the tap room. You had to take girls in the saloon bar or, in posher pubs, the lounge bar. The tap room was where all the old gits would sit, nursing halves and playing dominoes or crib(bage) in a smoky atmosphere of what my father-in-law used to describe as "sawdust & spittoons".

    On the day the Sex Discrimination Act came into force, I took my girlfriend into the tap room of the local ale house. All the old gits were looking daggers, and the landlord was clearly not happy but he served us anyway. We just had the one drink.

    The other big change in pubs since those days for me is the replacement of the frosted glass windows with plate glass, like shop windows. The frosting went back to when pubs were not places for respectable people to be seen in and were there to maintain drinkers' privacy. Those days are obviously long gone but personally I miss the frosted glass; pubs felt cosier then and I hate the feeling of being in a goldfish bowl. I don't go in pubs much any more, partly because of that and partly because the noise is often too much for my ageing hearing. Drink wine at home these days, Malbec's a particular favourite. Still like rum & coke too. Like Gsvs5 prefer Appletons but it's not easy to find.
     
  3. Ed Vaughan

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    Primary school kids could buy drink and cigarettes back in the day. I used to get my dad's Players or Senior Service and quart bottles of brown ale and quart bottles of Guinness from the off licence.

    Double Diamond was well known to kids because of the advertising.

    My first drink in a pub was brown ale. A whole class went in. Tallest kid placed the orders; barman was not bothered, No ID cards in that era.

    Light and bitter was popular in London. You were thought to get more than a pint in many pubs. They also gave you the bottle which was a weapon to villains like Mad Frankie Fraser.
     
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  5. Kingstonian

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    Yes there were more open air pools then. However they were terrible places to learn to swim because the water temperature was on the cold side.

    We went to one and the headmaster dressed in a suit stood on the side giving instructions. Not very effective. As soon as I discovered indoor pools at secondary school I made rapid progress.
     
  6. Aces and Eights

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    Yes I remember Double Diamond - that was up a league from Light and bitter - better quality
     
  7. Aces and Eights

    Aces and Eights Senior member

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    Quote: Sorry mate - Never seen those before neither back in the day or since
     
  8. Aces and Eights

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    It interesting because like yourself there are a few of us on here that were born within months of each other in the same year and our recollections of what happened in the 69 - 71 period is so remarkable the same that you would have thought we all knocked about in the same gang in that time and yet we are/were from various locations scattered around the country

    It has amazed me how we could be doing the same things and wearing the same clothes etc and yet no internet, mobile phones and we shunned the medias descriptions of us as we wanted to be our own group of people
     
  9. Aces and Eights

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    The Lido open air swimming pool when we were kids of around 10 years old the Junior school took us to the local Lido for swimming lessons and we were taught by a woman teacher bawling at us from the side like a Sergeant Major. We learnt out of fear rather than pleasure.

    Having leant to swim the following summer holidays were spent day in day out at the Lido with gradually getting the nerve to dive off the top board. Spring board was great fun. No elf and safety back in those days

    It used to be 1 shilling deposit for the locker key and 2d for the half hour swim. we would walk home with our trunks wrapped in a wet towel and by 4d worth of chips on the walk home. Simple time

    I don't recall going swimming during the skinhead times - probably because of not having a style of swimwear ?
     
  10. McDermott

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    If anyone is looking for a Cheap Timex styled watch with the NATO strap, then the new timex weekenders worth a look :
    http://www.timex.co.uk/Category.aspx
    Dont pay that price for them though - if you look around several sites and ebay you can get them £20-30. A better 'proper' alternative would be the army issue CWC with the nato strap which i think will be next purchase

    Talk of the college cardies reminds me of the Dundee gang jumpers again :
    [​IMG]
    I imagine going into another mobs area and seeing a big gang all wearing the same jumper or colours was quite a intimidating look. Infact, it reminds me alot of the late 70's film 'the warriors' : [​IMG]

    Whilst an extreme example, did anyone wear anything in there gang that was deffinately theres or seen and recognised as such ?
    Im not keen on the overly preppy style ones or Big letters, but a subtler one wouldnt look out of place in a skinheads wardrobe im sure :
    [​IMG]




    I am suprised that no one recalls the type of boot Buttons was on about :
    [​IMG]

    I imagine Greens these and a oxford Bennie would be a classic 'earlier' look. I think they are mentioned in the Nick knight book as discussed previously but i did wonder how popular they actually were back in the day ?

    In Regards to trainers I am aware they were not considered in or popular until much after but am sure they must have been more out there. Theres certainly Sambas or what looks similar in the wigan casino footage 77', and Im sure i had photos of a lad on a skelly wearing something similar. I will look..
    I always liked the 'baseball' boot styles too, the ones noddy can be seen wearing in some pictures of Slade (sorry to bring it back up!!) in the black and white, i think a good modern equivalent :
    [​IMG]
    White leather converse. No trim around the sole, and the logo is pure white in rubber on the side and isnt really obvious. Bought them on a whim from work but have to say I get alot of wear out of them, again with Greens or jeans and a FP or similar. Leather is nice and supple but thick.



    anyway, I also have enjoyed the way the thread dwindles 'off topic' from time to time. I think the little details, like what you wanted for christmas or what you drank at the local are parts of the puzzle that paints a better picture of what life was like back then..
     
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  11. Bob the Badger

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    What is amazing to me is that our fashions were changing almost on a monthly basis in an attempt to keep one step ahead of kids that didn't quite get it.You could travel across London and see kids that looked identical to yourself, wearing similar clothes,haircuts and using similar slang expressions. Word of mouth moved fast. We always checked out what other mobs were wearing. The music was also the same whether it was the Ilford Palais or Tottenham Royal or that place in the West End where skinheads sometimes gathered from all over the place.
    As an afterthought has the language, slang expressions etc. been covered here?
     
  12. buttons

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    I am suprised that no one recalls the type of boot Buttons was on about : [​IMG] I imagine Greens these and a oxford Bennie would be a classic 'earlier' look. I think they are mentioned in the Nick knight book as discussed previously but i did wonder how popular they actually were back in the day ? I think more common when your town had a local coal-mine - then you could get mates and relatives to get you a pair on the cheap. I got my first pair when I was 14-15 from a mate's dad who worked at the pit. They were very cheap (probably a fifth of the price of a pair of Martens at the time) which really helps when you're saving up your dinner money to spend on clothes!
     
  13. Gsvs5

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    I did see the outer steel cap boots but only worn by a couple of the fringe psyco hangers on and shunned by everyone else.They probably never caught on as they would draw too much attention.I never saw leather BB Boots worn before Mcdermott?As I mentioned earlier we were wearing white Stan Smiths before Sambas,so what you say about seeing them at Wigan is probably correct.None of these were universally accepted in the clubs at the time though as they were to "Grippy" to dance in.It had to be a leather soled shoe.
     
  14. Gsvs5

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    It's funny now to see someone in a Harrington,long Sideburns,BD. being the anchorman for a "positive" TV add.The only other time I recall seeing someone who resembled a skinhead in any shape or form has been used negatively.I thought a lot of the faces were mildly familiar also MOM.Not sure if the sequence of ad's is done by year,but those collars and prints tell a lot.
    I wish the barmaids in some of the pubs I frequented in the 70's were like the ad's also !
     
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    [​IMG]
     
  16. Kingstonian

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    Yes I walked home with a bag of chips too.

    I also went swimming in the late 60s and left my stuff in the cubicle. My shoes got nicked. They were probably after the Royals one of my pals had, which he put in the cloakroom (with attendant)
     
  17. Kingstonian

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    Yes I walked home with a bag of chips too.

    I also went swimming in the late 60s and left my stuff in the cubicle. My shoes got nicked. They were probably after the Royals one of my pals had, which he put in the cloakroom (with attendant)
     
  18. browniecj

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    If anybody is in the Shoreditch Area on Thurs.1st of August,come along to the "Horse and Groom" Pub(in Curtain Road, EC2).There is a 60s/70s Soul Night on-but the "Early Doors" Session will be with myself and Mr.Biggs spinning the "Roots of Reggae"-Ska,Rocksteady and early Reggae.This Session will be 5pm to 6:30pm.The rest of the night carries on until 1ish. Free Entry. Come along,there is always a good crowd there.:)

    End of Commercial!!!! :lurk:
     
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  19. McDermott

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    Reminds me of a story my dad tells from his days. My dad was a big soulie back in the day as I have mentioned before, but caught on a little too later to be a skinhead ( born 1956 so 69 wouldve been 13 and remembers well...well he wore the gear but never called himself such) but was wearing monkey boots tonics etc. Coming from keighley he said news spread round quick, so when his mate Tim was the first person to buy a pair of royals in that area all the lads heard about it. Tim left them in the local cobblers to have blakeys put on and double souled. Over night the cobblers had a break in, and the only thing missing was Tims shoes [​IMG] My dad said Tim spent like the next two years walking round, looking at everyones shoes ''I know em when I see em'' Lol !!!
     
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    Ed, thanks for that link. Pleased to know it wasn't just a line I'd been spun. Sorry I never tried that; wonder if it's still available?

    Took me back watching that clip. The film's as old as I am and that's how I remember Blackpool from first visits in very early 1960s. Always wondered what was in those freak shows on the Golden Mile - never allowed in.
     

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