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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. flyfronted

    flyfronted Senior member

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    the 72 ' london football ' look of Ruperts , Toppers and south sea bubble patchwork jumpers was very much a complete break from suedehead but a look worn by all the fashion concious kids who had been suedeheads ...in my opinion a valid look .
     
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    I like the roll of the Collar-although it reminds me of when the wider(Kipper Ties)came in.What will the retail Price be??
     
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    What has not been touched on(with us older exSkinheads)is the Polo neck Jumper.Whilst the younger ones were wearing patch-work Jumpers etc.,the older ones wore these in many colours and patterns.They were smart enough(if thin)to wear with Jackets,Trousers and Suits.The thicker ones could be worn with Jeans or Trousers.I had about 5 thin ones(various colours) and 2 thicker ones.If you look at Pictures of that time, one if not more would be wearing a Polo neck Jumper.
     
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    Awesome Story elwood and it does check out as Joe Foster was the found of Reebok with his brother, I assume they came to the company your dad worked for because they couldn't fulfill all the orders they were getting at the time I assume because the family factory didn't have the equipment and man power for such large orders and obviously the reason you didn't hear about them until years later is because they didn't really take off in a major way until well into the early 80's but I'm sure you knew all of this but its still fund to recount.
     
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    Yes, I had a one, not really thick, but not very thin either - quite big with us in 1972 (i.e. at the end of suedehead,) just before we lost it with football jumpers, star jumpers and tank tops - by which I mean the scoop neck versions. As far as I was concerned, it was all over by that stage......... To me penny round collars (beagle collars) were not skinhead/suedehead at all, as all kids seemed to wear them.
     
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    Cool story about Reebok.Yes they did change hands they are owned by the Cohen Bros.Chestnut Hill,Brookline.Did some work at their house with my dad.Nice people.
     
  7. Man-of-Mystery

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    I missed that news item. I'd have turned up just to see whether the Stones were as out-of-tune as they were in '69.
     
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    flyfronted says in 62 Mods didn't wear Trainers.That sounds right to me as the Mods then I don't think would have been that casual.I always thought the Mods were wearing Italian Bowling shoes (thats what I've heard them called in the US) at the end of Mod.Great pic of the Ivy shop. browniecj.Great story about your Mom and as always great stuff about the transition.I think thats one of the best things about this thread,there are a couple of cats who went thru the transition.It's also interesting to hear where you went after it was over.The Army appears to be one of the choices ex skinheads made.
     
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    I'm with Buttons & Aces and Eights on this.

    Partly because it's easier to stick with this thread rather than tracking a few. But also because I think it is difficult to define and categorise or sub-categorise these things. For example, it's not easy to tie down the Original period: who can definitively say when it started or ended? There's probably some sort of consensus on here that it's 69-71 but regional variations complicate the picture.

    Not wanting to get pretentious but we're exploring social & cultural history here and some of the tangents we've gone off on from time to time have all added context, which I've personally found fascinating. I look on it as a "life & times" approach that gives a fuller picture of where it came from and where it went.

    So I'd say stick with the looser approach to "on topic". It's easy to skim over what doesn't particularly interest you and the overall attitude of everyone on here to style seems to keep the thread generally on track.
     
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    Sirryacus, you're probably right about why the order was placed. I'll see if my Dad remembers any more background.
     
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    browniecj, now you mention it I remember polo necks being fairly common but was this that they were worn more across the board then and were just something worn by skinheads as well? (I don't have an answer to that.)

    I can remember regularly wearing a thin polo neck under an open-neck shirt around 1967/ 1968 - but that was just me trying to copy "cooler" older kids I'd seen. I think that look went back a bit earlier than that. Seem to remember The Beatles wearing polo neck & shirt combination?
     
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    BillyWhizz, I remember those too around 72/ 73. I always thought they were derived from U.S. college jackets. I had a claret & blue one: covered a multitude of teams, at a slight stretch my own City who still had maroon sock tops. I never saw them in sky blue & white (and don't remember red & white either) and the claret & blue was very common on the Kippax then. Sorry can't help with photos.
     
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    Known as 'Football Jumpers'. Some Spurs fans were wearing them in that post-skinhead clip someone posted recently.
     
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    I always thought the idea was copied from the old Letterman knitwear from the American Ivy League colleges like these
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    where the number of stripes related to your year at college.
    I've seen a few like this from an English early 70s point of view - usually very cheaply made. Got a couple of vee necks with a big 'Y' on and sleeve stripes and I think stripes on the waist band (much more early 70s than Yank Ivy). Also got a zip up cardy in red and white with a Sunderland badge on the top pocket. Very cheap, all of them kids sizes. Can't remember ever wearing it. I used it to pin me metal footy badges to. I'd take a pic but I'm not home til the weekend.
    Anyone remember the old American Ivy ones being worn before the 70s footy jumper versions came along?
     
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    That's what I was mentioning in an earlier post Buttons,but they were worn predominantly in white and it was post skinhead for us..Ruckanor was a brand that springs to mind.This would have been 72-73.

    I personally believe the thread is and should be Mod to Suedehead for clarity.Though we never used the term Smooth or Suedehead it is recognised and defines a move in direction and change.I was feel that the immediate periods before Mod and post smooth are important as they again are definative points and often show dramatic change.I was probably wrong to mention Kickers as this was much,much later and had to draw myself back in here as I was getting too far away IMO.The Faces in particular and probably Bolan played a big part in the end of "Our" era.They were wearing clothes than although were initially questionable,could be accepted mainstream (more so than Bowie/Eno).The fact that these early provided Glam/Terrace/Rock n Roll and had millions of teenage girls wetting their nickers,didn't hurt either.If the girls likes that look ,then we better get on that bandwagon,buy a satin jacket and maybe get a shag tomorrow night.
    As for the detour into wrestling attire and the like........[​IMG]

    I'll just say two words on that subject Les ( Buttons Stance ) Kellet



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  16. Ed Vaughan

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    ... and great for hiding 'love bites'. :embar:
     
  17. Man-of-Mystery

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    The first denim shirt I ever owned was in about 1965. It was by 'Mille Chemises', I believe, a French shirtmaker; it had a slight Western look to it, and I had it because my mum 'approved' of French styles. If I ever get my old photos out of the loft again, I'll see if I can find a shot of it (except at the time I had a naff haircut and a face full of pimples!).

    Clouseau, do you know anything about that brand of shirt? I think I have the brand name correct.
     
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    Satin jackets,i remember a hot saturday 73 or 74 we had been told about a shop the other side of Bristol that sold them,we went there and found this shop Boney Maroney,i opted for a safe bet and bought a black one but one other lad bought a baby blue one ,he got so much stick that he tried to dye it and ruined it.I thought 70s fashions after suedehead were either dire or bland and theres not anything that i remember from then that i would wear now,it did teach me though because as i got older i ignored fashions that i didnt like and wore what i wanted to. I have been interested in what the blokes on here have said about what they wear now,there are a lot of similar ideas,when i asked about hot weather wear several said about boat shoes,i saw a bloke wearing some on saturday and they do look ok with shorts and a polo ( or maybe a linen shirt ) i have looked online and there are a lot of variations i found some brown leather ones with 3 eyeholes and a sole with a boot type tread so i ordered a pair.
     
  19. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    It wasn't a new idea even then. Here's a pic of two US Marines in 1944.

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    Someone else much remembered from the 1960s was wrestler Billy Two Rivers, who might have influenced your rival mob.

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  20. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    Here's my problem. I go away for ten days...

    :D
     

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