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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Mr Knightley

    Mr Knightley Senior member

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    I must have had beer mugs and Northerners in my head today because i suddenly remembered the scene in Get Carter,when Jack Carter ( Michael Caine ) goes into the pub in Newcastle and orders a beer as the barman turns to get him one Carter clicks his fingers and says in a London accent " in a thin glass ",then he looks about to see if anyone is going to say anything to him ( no takers ).One of my favourite films,made in 1971 ?,quite violent for the time,and a realistic level of violence i think ( no machine guns or rocket launchers ) some nice clothes too.About the western style shirt ,i had something like it early 80s from M and S ( of course) the material was called Chambray,i remember that because it nearly stopped me buying the shirt.
     
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    And some ex-Skinheads....:)
     
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    Remember when I visited the Top Rank in Watford(I have told this story before),a fight broke out-and a barrage of half filled Beer Mugs went from one side to the other.There was blood everywhere.Yes,I would say that because of the aggro,they got banned.Cannot stand the plastic ones though.
     
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    I remember a lad in our class at school having one in needle cord - it would have been around 1968. Cord had a a bit of a resurgence then - mainly Wrangler jackets and cord jeans - maybe a bit of a 'western' theme going on there?
     
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    No offence taken - flyfronted made the comment about some in the video being 'caricatures' of the skinhead look before buttons and Basset explained that the two events were not the same. Having read his observation, I just had to respond.

    In terms of 'skinhead' many people (myself included) have a pretty fixed idea of what it is, or should be. Sometimes we need to remember that there are different types of skinhead - those that evolved from Mod in the late sixties,those of us who were then drawn to the style, some who evolved from Punks in the late seventies, others who came from the blurring of mod revival in 1979/80 and a variety of other people who have been drawn to the image for a variety of other reasons. All regard themselves as skinheads or former skinheads. Some skinheads I can relate to, regardless of age, some I can't. Doesn't mean they are wrong and I'm right. Tattoo'd girls in bleached denim mini skirts, fishnet tights and Doc Martens bear no resemblance to girls that I knew as a skinhead, yet many people recognize their look as 'skinhead'. It has been a revelation finding this site and discovering that there are others who have very similar ideas on the style as I have myself.
     
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    I hate those plastic jobs, they should come with a bib
     
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    Classic film that, cerneabbas - and yes 1971. Michael Caine did wear some sharp suits from what I remember. Haven't watched it in a while but have it on DVD so it might get a play this weekend.

    Particularly like the scene where the local villain, Brumby (played by Bryan Mosley who was Alf Roberts in Coronation Street) has a go at Carter who crumples him with a single punch in the guts. Brilliant line for Carter then: "You're a big man, but you're in bad shape. With me it's a full time job. Now behave yourself." Sounds like the sort of thing some on here would like to say to some of the participants in that "other" Margate event (the wrong one) on YouTube. [​IMG]
     
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    Do you remember "The Westerner" boutique in Manchester, roytonboy? Sold lots of denim and cord - with obvious theme. I think they had a stage coach on one of the floors. It's probably been mentioned on here before. And was there one of the same name in London?
     
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    Interested to see your list, roytonboy. Wanted to ask you what make of mac you went for and where you got it?
     
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    'Villain' (1971) starring Richard Burton, was a good film when I last saw it years ago (probably dated now) similar to 'Get Carter'. Anyone remember it? And 'Kes' (1969) for checking out the extras. [​IMG] [​IMG] Couldn't resist posting this photo, just to annoy Little Queenie :D- denim, Chambray shirts, Paul and George's bleached jeans 1965. Other than his barnet, Ringo looks quite dapper.
     
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    isn't mccartney usually more nicely dressed than the rest? I can say I dress like he is dressed there most days except for the loafers, is that a bad thing?
     
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    To be honest,when I see things like white laces ,facial tattoos etc. I'm embarrassed to think I have any attachment to a culture that morphed into what it has become to many.
    I think it is even worse for the girls.Nowadays from what I've seen, certainly,most do little IMO to project any femininity or subtlety to their style.On both counts,I see it as being dragged down,bastardised and taken to a point where it can't go anywhere, but possibly back to the roots.
    I can't get that picture that was posted a while back of the kid in Tyneside sitting on the wall ,looking desperate and at the end of his line,out of my mind.That has nothing in the world to do with MY idea of Skinhead or what it portrayed,even at their worst in '69.
    Maybe I'm looking back through rose tinted (dimpled) glasses,but I remember everyone had a sense of pride,confidence,respect
    and the naive FUN of being youths.The new Lads.Natural instincts in those days before glue,charlie and smack took the place of a Park Drive or Woodbine behind the sheds,and found it's way into the playground.
     
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    Well said Gsvs5.The only place I differ from you (most likely cause of our age difference) Is with the modern Skinhead Girls.Some are not the style I admire (I've seen some Mexican Skin girls I didn't think looked good) I think because I'm of the age when the first skinhead girls I saw were 2nd wave(not originals)and that look I always admired as being very brave.The Black tights don't hurt either.
     
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    Gsvs5. Thank you for that post because it says exactly what i felt when i looked at those videos,which is why i mentioned them here. My GF and i sat and watched them ( she is a lot younger than me but her elder brother was a skinhead/suedehead 70/71 so she knows the score ) and she kept saying things like "but skinheads were smart,whats this about ?",she also said that she thought that the girls didnt look feminine,i found it quite sad really.
     
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    I agree with you to an extent Gsvs5 but take this picture from 1969.

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    How are these blokes any less menacing than some skinheads circa 1979 to 1982? Personally I wouldn't be scared of them but I'm talking general consenus, I would venture to say the examples you state are more on the extreme side and I would tend to agree but you gotta put everything in perspective.
     
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    http://www.amazon.com/Terrace-Terrors-ebook/dp/B0099AWS98
     
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    Thanks for that....
     
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    In terms of 'skinhead' many people (myself included) have a pretty fixed idea of what it is, or should be. Sometimes we need to remember that there are different types of skinhead - those that evolved from Mod in the late sixties,those of us who were then drawn to the style, some who evolved from Punks in the late seventies, others who came from the blurring of mod revival in 1979/80 and a variety of other people who have been drawn to the image for a variety of other reasons. All regard themselves as skinheads or former skinheads. Some skinheads I can relate to, regardless of age, some I can't. Doesn't mean they are wrong and I'm right. Tattoo'd girls in bleached denim mini skirts, fishnet tights and Doc Martens bear no resemblance to girls that I knew as a skinhead, yet many people recognize their look as 'skinhead'. It has been a revelation finding this site and discovering that there are others who have very similar ideas on the style as I have myself.
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    Its right what Roytonboy's saying here.
    Original skinheads came and went in a short space of time and whilst making quite a fashion impact, if that had been the end, it would be remembered in a very different way. But 40 years is a long time. As I've said on here before, it'd have been better of the name 'skinhead' wasn't kept for the next generations to come and it had been something different but that's how it went. So now its had four decades to evolve which has taken it in many directions. (I'm sure any purists of the Rockabilly look, or Teds, Mods, Rockers etc would look at what its become and how their style has been treated and shake their heads in sorrow). Look at how everything else has changed in the last 40 years in terms of culture, music, fashion and attitude.
    A few of us walked past the other Margate do on Saturday afternoon on the way to the cafe, some mutual funny looks and the odd nod and walked on - its a very different scene. There's some underlying links but very distorted ones.
    And whilst I fully understand the older lads on here who haven't thought much about skinhead style since the early 70s, to now be looking at what would appear to be an abomination of the look they once adopted but that's what many years of change does, along with a very different approach to 'youth culture'. If you see the original days as skinhead in its purist form (which I certainly do), everything else can only look tainted / wrong / a poor effort. But there's little point in me looking down on modern day skinheads with distain, accusing them all of being shit, for getting it wrong and not being as good as me ... cos they're not 'playing the same game' as me, so clearly have a different approach. The vast majority look fukc all like the originals but that's mostly because they're not trying to (mind you some do and do a terrible job but that's another story).
    I was only being born when most of you were growing your hair and wearing beagle collars so I missed the first time around but I've been doing this now for over 30 years (which I know sounds bonkers to many) so I've seen many guises of what falls under the skinhead banner, some of which have taken queues from the olden days and some of which I'm ashamed to be accused of associating with. But it also means I'm not shocked when I see another 'variation on a theme' who bares no resemblance to me at all but dances (all be it differently) to one or two shared tunes.
    Many would look at me and think what the hell's he doing dressing like a bygone teenager, at his age. But for me, my interest and appreciation still runs deep and whilst my wrinkles might detract from the complete authenticity I seek, I can't bare to leave it behind and just be a middle aged bloke who wears the odd button down. Am I any less odd than a bloke in his 50s in skin tight bleachies and a head tattoo? Hopefully a lot smarter but a lot of that's in the eye of the beholder.
    Whilst I take the old style very seriously (and if there weren't people who did, the likes of this forum wouldn't be half as prominent) but I gave up a while ago getting angry at people who didn't have the same attitude.

    (Still doing up the 'right') Buttons
     
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    Oh aye, I get the early 70s denim shirt thing (from hippy musicians, on the terraces, IOW festival to the Golden Torch soul club), just hadn't see much of that creeping into late 60s mod and was wondering what the attitudes were to them in the day. Some interesting comments already.
     

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