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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. elwood

    elwood Senior member

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    That really is an excellent pic. Reminds me that I had very similar style trousers in that period 69 - 70 that came from M&S. Fit and material were very close to Sta-Prest from what I recall, though clearly not considered as fashionable as the proper Levi's with the tab. Think my point is that it was a popular look at the time and other manufacturers were producing me too versions. Wore mine with desert boots and lambs wool V-neck pullover (also M&S) - wasn't bad for 11/ 12 year olds.
     
  2. Clouseau

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    Cerneabbas, i think you can find a lot of different people on this thread. Among them some purists: a few Originals, and actual skinheads who are on "vintage" clothing, and as you say try to replicate (but not only) what was worn by the Originals, and for who it is a real way of life. And you have other people like you, and me, growing older (i am almost 49), but who modestly maintain some elements of the style and try, as you say, to update or twist it. I'm with you on this!
     
  3. Gsvs5

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    Of course at 55 + we are kidding ourselves to believe that we could/would carry on with the original look without appearing as caricatures.I hope I am beyond that.You are right about the subtleties Mr Knightley.That is probably one of the most important and lasting things to have stuck with me and influences my choices today.Anyone can buy a pr of decent Brogues,but how many really consider the shape of the last,thickness of sole,number of eyelets,quality of leather etc.etc? Jeans are another story if you expect to be able to just go in and grab a decent pr off the shelf to look great on your middle aged ass.The industry caters to the Youth market and that me lower and lower rise and skinnier fit each season.Dressing well takes effort.[​IMG]

    I would hazzard a guess that most men in middle age get their clothes picked out by their Wives and make do with the most convenient options available within budget.We all come in different shapes and sizes,and you don't have to look far to see how little the majority of older men care about how they dress.People on this Forum are the exception.Well heeled cosmopolitan City dwellers are also not reflective of the rest of suburbia.I've mentioned before on here about colour and the drab interpretation of the style by 2nd and 3rd generations.I would argue that the two guys in the sta press photo were anything but muted by comparison to todays followers.

    Here's an older self confessed Mod (He was a Saturday boy in a Newcastle Tailors) about the same era as Victor Meldrew


    Kingstonian maybe right,but he could also be way off.It's all down to the individual,his sense of style and attitude.[​IMG]
     
  4. ek77

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    another fb find...
    didnt saw these ones from 1970 on here before...
    at least two ma1 flight jackets in the pix... :)

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  5. ek77

    ek77 Senior member

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    another one from the same photographer..

    Youth In England In The Seventies. 01 Mai 1970

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  6. Watermelon man

    Watermelon man Well-Known Member

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    Yes... I have a pair of old Sta-Prest-like trousers (actually not 'originals' as the fabric would have decayed by now if they were 100% cotton treated in the 1964 manner). Too small for my oversized waist now, however, although I live in hope that I might loose weight again one day... :) They are razor-sharp, unlike any of the modern repros. Also narrowly-tapered at the ankle (7").

    The Brooks Bros Plain Front 'Advantage' Chinos (especially if you get the narrower ones -- not the 'Clark' fit) are pretty close, but they don't hold a crease particularly well. The worst in that respect that I've encountered recently are Farah Vintage 'FaraPress'. Absolute rubbish -- it staggers me that they can describe them as anything with 'press' in the name.

    Returning to my original point, however. The current so-called 511 Levis Sta Prest are not bad. Here I believe that '511' is being used as a marketing ploy to signify that they are slim (not skinny) trousers. They are not traditional 5-pocket jeans. They are not cut like 511 jeans (although the waist is similarly low, in keeping with modern trends).

    Different colours, different cut, especially at the back and the waist, but they are made of cloth that unlike any of the other modern repros, holds its crease. They are not like the 'Sta Prest' jeans that Levis have made in recent years.

    If they were made like the 'originals' (whatever that means in our context -- presumably not the 1964 vintage), I have no doubt that they would be in the Levi's 'Vintage' range and cost upwards of £175.
     
  7. Basset

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    Yes mate your right, it's surprising the amount of garments that the Sta Prest tag has been stuck on, even action suits!

    Over the years they appeared to have used different blends of fabrics as you mention, combine that with the different cuts/styles and there can be some reasonable quality trousers to be had, just a question of what your personal tastes are.

    A hot sunny afternoon in margate a few years back, polyester slacks, no wonder i look irritated [​IMG]
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  8. PxC

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    Looks like the photographer is one Iain MacMillan, from Dundee, Scotland.
    http://imaginepeace.com/archives/9843
     
  9. Ivyskin89

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    Not that I have anything against cross dressers, but the whole low waisted mens pants thing comes from guys wearing women's pants. Levi made skinny jeans for all the emos and skaters that were wearing their sisters or girl friends jeans. I think it's ridiculous how many companies are fallowing suit with the low waisted mens pant thing. You've got idiots all around the city here who can't keep their shirts tucked in. When they are tucked in, everyone has a terrible shape because the shirt isn't meeting at the waist giving one a V shape, it meets at the hips and has a weird look I can't describe but sometimes peoples love handles are hanging over, it's awful.
     
  10. Ivyskin89

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    BTW I think this is one of the best shots I've seen. This embodies exactly what I think of when someone says skinhead.
     
  11. Sirryacus

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    Those appear to be very similar to the pants I was talking about earlier that wrangler still makes, I usually sell the vintage levi's examples for only 20 dollars, polyester just doesn't sell well for obvious reasons, I find it ironic that so many owned them in the California heat, I guess it proves that trends trumped all even 100+ degree temps, regular cotton jeans are already hot enough for me as it is I couldn't imagine polyester in our summers.
     
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  12. yankmod

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    Some great color photos showing up lately.Nice job guys.The pics are a big selling point for the book.These recent ones are a great addition.
     
  13. Man-of-Mystery

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    And yes, sometimes we just fastened the MIDDLE button.

    Dave, do you have any idea whom we ask about using these photos?
     
  14. Man-of-Mystery

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    1970? Are you sure?
     
  15. browniecj

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    Interesting point,Mr.Knightley.As an Original I can truthfully say I would not spend hundreds and hundreds of pounds-to replicate what I looked like in `68/69.I still like the style of Shoes we wore and have been lucky in purchasing pairs-from places like T.K.Maxx etc.Ebay has helped in getting other things.I always wanted a Leather Levi Jacket(ok it does not have studs as original)but I got one,cheap,because of the Style.To get an original one it would be way out of my Pocket.I wear BDs with Trousers bought out of M&S,they have the Style that I like.I do not go for Suits anymore.How can I justify to myself(and my Missus)that the £2/3000 Mohair Suit is really needed.Plus as I am older,I do not think the Tonik would look right.Jeans I look around for-no £200+ Japanese Jeans here either(for the same reason as the Suit).I suppose the answer is,I am a 63 year old that does a nod to the past but leaves the Style 45+ years ago.:)

    Braces with Jeans or Sta Prest.I never wore Sta Prest as I did not get on with them.The Jeans only had Braces on for a short period.Certainly not with Suits(you have spent hard earned cash on a M.T.M,then hitch them up with Braces?).You are right about the Colours etc Mr.Knightley,they were subtle-and the way you walked and stood showed these off to good effect.Whenever I bought something I would stand in front of the Mirror and "pose".I was lucky in having a younger Sister who was also into the Style.We would show off our purchases to each other and then discuss what went with what.
     
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  16. Spirit of 89

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    Read through every post on this thread from beginning to end (although I admit I didn't read every off-site link that was posted, etc...). Took me about 2 weeks...and what a find. The amount of knowledge from 'young' and 'old' is astounding. And the overall friendly atmosphere of this thread is to be commended. Kudos to all involved.

    My own backstory is both uninteresting and irrelevant in this context other than to say I'm 37 years old, from the US (Maryland) and became a skinhead at age 13 in 1989 thru the typical hardcore/Oi!/2-Tone channels that most in the US did at that time...'Scruffy Cunts' as the originals would say...and developed more of an appreciation of the 'original' style and culture over the years.
    I don't have much to add but hope that a few of my inquiries may be indulged.

    Is anyone familiar with this bootmaker and this boot in particular?
    http://www.williamlennon.co.uk/footwear/d106-safety-boots.html
    I've been looking for a pair of 6-8 hole, DM style, MiE boots for a while now and have come up short until I came across these. Thru contact with them, they tell me that the upper is made in their shop and then sent to the Solovair factory to have the soles put on, and assured me that it's a 100% MiE boot. I've had bad luck with the quality of Chinese DMs and therefore will not purchase actual Dr. Marten's products anymore...and it seems that nearly all of the British 'skinhead boot' companies have shipped their manufacturing to shoddy off-site factories. Curious if anyone has any dealings with the above company and any personal experience is welcomed. Even with a hefty shipping fee to the US the price is right for a true MiE steel toe boot. I have several more questions but figured I'd start there.
    Much Respect to everyone here and please forgive as I'm figuring out the technical ropes of this site.
     
  17. buttons

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    Just a quick note - great pics - well spotted.
    That pic of the gang from 1970, in colour (although (along with MoM) I reckon '69 ,mesell) was in that Spirit of 69 book, in black and white - nice to finally see some detail.

    Welcome to the new lad. Never seen a pair of them boots with the DM soles on but me mate had a pair of boots made at Lennons last year and the quality was excellent. They make them in Derbyshire still - when you order them, you get all kinds of details to choose from and you can pop in and see how they're getting on, mid-build. They make boots for a few of the artisan sellers now (when you see a pair of "bench made boots, hand crafted in Derbyshire", its usually made at Lennons and marked up to sell under a different name). Hope that helps.

    As for dressing like an original - my fave subject! Why do you think I'm on here listening to a bunch of old blokes talk about how they wore their trousers 40 odd years ago?! Not got time to go into it too much now but I wear all original stuff, except for some very good replicas. And whilst I get the older lot not wanting to wear certain things, I'm still clinging onto my Peter Pan outlook and long may it last!
    Forever young.
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  18. Aces and Eights

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    Pretty much my thoughts as well Colin on what I wear now. Being nigh on 60 and an original I like to wear Loake Royals and Ben Shermans but that as far as the old branded names go Jeans and trousers are from M&S and I am looking for comfort and value for money. I would not be wearing turn ups or braces now as I would look and feel out of place. I still have a fly front mac and wear DM boots and DM dealer boots.

    Its subtly now days. What we wore 45 years ago was great and classy at the time and I enjoy reading on hear of the detail that the younger contributors go into on any particular item on here. Back then you just bought it, wore it and throw it away. We never thought that those clothing pieces from back then would be so sought after and interesting now.
     
  19. roytonboy

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    Yes, I'm with you on this also. Like one or two others have said, the clothes I wore in 69-71 influence rather than dictate the style I have today. I still wear Levi's, brogues and Ben Sherman's at times but at 58 if I went out with the full look I wouldn't feel right. It would probably be OK if I was socialising with others that dressed the same, but where I live now none of my friends were of the style and I only know of one person who was. Having said that, following the discussion on this site I recently bought a fly fronted mac and my girlfriend (who is considerably younger than me and not of the style) loves it!
     
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  20. ek77

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    yes, the caption is "Youth In England In The Seventies. 01 Mai 1970"...
     

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