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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Ivyskin89

    Ivyskin89 Senior member

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    I think you can safely say-all decades had their disaster areas :)
     
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    Talking to an older Jamaican the other week about Reggae recorded in New York(in the 70s).What I never realised was it was given slightly different "Beat".He told me you could know the difference when you listened to them(I normally went by the Label) and then spun Jamaican and American produced Reggae side by side.I know its a bit off Subject but it was something I found interesting. :)
     
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    All the big Reggae stars would fly across to NY to do big shows for there community but it never crossed over to the african american community i guess simply due to the wealth of Soul / Funk / Jazz and Disco that made the 70s the golden period of black american music thats never been repeated . The 80s Casual / soul boy look was also influenced in London via JA via NY when the Jamaican community nicked the Goodfeller / wise guy look the Italians sported ( JA's always loved the gangster connection ) and in turn the london stores in black areas started selling versions .. ie Gabbichi and farah . Many Reggae producers and stars now live in NY as its far safer than Kingston and they actually sell more music there .
     
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    Those who start things off always move on when things go nationwide / mainstream , Mod , skin , casual .. always will be like that .
     
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    Of course, like those who form an attachment to an up and coming band will loose interest when they make it big. (often claiming they have 'sold out')

    The point I was making is Kevin Rowland seems to portray the skinhead image as a something people wanted to quickly disassociate themselves from, whereas I (and I believe many others who lived through it) regard it quite differently. Where I do agree with him is the influence of the press, particularly on 'Paki bashin'
     
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    I was just in the Ralph Lauren RRL store on W.Broadway the other day and they are asking $450.00 bucks for Vintage Florsheims.! I have seen many better on ebay for under a hundred,
     
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    Is that for second hand or unused old stock? Much selection? Any shells? Just curious really to see what they think they can get away with.
     
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    I understand that but it seems to me as a young onlooker that the initial wave of very cool older lads dressing in that Ivy League style soon got overtaken by hordes of younger kids wearing market snides and big boots . Once that happens the first wave always move on - thats cos Skinhead / hard mod whatever was a fashion in 67 - 70 rather than the youth cult that its now become .
     
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    It's for not very special used-second hand.I saw maybe half a dozen prs.No Shells or smooths that I noticed.
    Typical RRL merchandising.Drop in a few "Original" Vintage pieces alongside New RRL production to fill out the display and "Authenticate" the display.
     
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    roytonboy, interested to read about the timing here.

    First time I saw skinheads (or can remember seeing them) was when I started going to watch City at Maine Road in October 1969. The first City game I actually went to was a friendly on the Monday night after we won the FA Cup in late April 1969. I don't remember seeing skinheads at that match although I do remember City lads singing "we are the boys in blue & white, we love to sing and we love to fight, so let's fight" to the tune of the old Chris Montez song "Let's Dance". (Quite popular at the time, and it used to get turned round to taunt opposition fans with "so let's sing".)

    What did make an impression on me at that match was a whole load of girl City fans, who must have been 17 or 18 ... so way older than me. They were all wearing the red & black striped Cup Final shirt (non-UK readers see my avatar) in men's sizes as mini dresses with the matching socks rolled up as "stay-ups". Maybe that's one of the first times "replica" shirts were worn by fans - certainly looked a lot better than many blokes my age wearing them these days. Anyway, that's my excuse for not having noticed if the skinhead look was around then.

    That's all a bit of a long-winded introduction to the following photo - and I felt I needed to post it if only to get that disturbing Kevin Rowland My Beauty shot out of the main frame for Recent Images on the thread.

    I found this on the website of Richard Tucker, a long-standing City fan and photographer who's being taking photos at City games for donkey's years. According to his caption, it was taken in Albert Square on the day after the Cup Final win in 1969 when the team came back home to show off the Cup at the Town Hall. The interesting thing to me is that makes it the day before I first joined the City crowd and when I didn't remember noticing any skinheads.

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    It's interesting because you can clearly see the "crop" in evidence at that date. The lad who's pointing just behind the umbrella has a razored-in parting, and there are a few top left, including a couple with longer sideburns. You can also see a couple of Wrangler or Levi jackets; and up behind the umbrella, a lad demonstrating the correct way to wear a scarf.

    (roytonboy, you'll recognise the lady in the centre as the late "Big" Helen Turner who used to ring her bell at Maine Road.)
     
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    Looks like that may be a painted Miners Hat in the shot as has been mentioned previously.
     
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    You could well be right about that, Gsvs5. I remember seeing a few worn at the first Manchester derby I went to that year - useful protection in those days. Good spot, though. I'd looked at that photo a good few times and that particular item just hadn't registered with me - just shows the eye for detail there is on this thread ...
     
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    And that looks like a "cheapskin" the young lad is wearing behind the Win or Lose up the Blues sign;)
     
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    "Helen, Helen, ring your bell, Helen...ring your bell!"

    Elwood - City fans have always been up with the styles. My first ever away match was Burnley in March 1968 and I remember lots of City fans in their Surfer Jackets and Levi's with haircuts clearly (in retrospect) in the skinhead style, but not yet quite as short as grade 3 (the original suedeheads?). They gave the Burnley fans a nightmare of an afternoon. (I say "they" as I was only 13 at the time)

    You are absolutely right regarding the first 'replica' shirts. The Red and Black striped shirts were first introduced as City's second kit in season 1968/69. Malcolm Alison had an eye for style and some of our kits were dazzling when he was there - remember the all white kit with a red and blue sash down the shirt? They were immediately a hit with the fans and worn on the Kippax and by not only girls. This was the first time I saw braces being openly worn- early 1969. The outfit was Red and Black striped shirt, sky blue braces holding up Levi's or Wranglers, boots (often hobnail or commando - usually black) Unfastened Denim Jacket over the top (or maybe still a cord Wrangler Jacket at that stage). OK, not a great look, but substitute the football shirt for a Ben Sherman and you have the original Skinhead look right there, though I hadn't heard the term at that stage.Some of the lads had crops by now, some didn't, but a definite terrace look was emerging.

    Painted miners helmets and construction helmets had been around since 1967.
     
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    I knew a few lads that fitted the 'hard mod' description though I don't think that term was ever used at the time. They were the older brothers of some of my friends and their mates, all 3 or 4 years older than us.. A couple of them evolved into skinheads (I'm told that one of them still holds legendary status at Oldham Athletic as he was their first skinhead supporter and certainly tried to live up to the image). We really looked up to them. As 13 and 14 year olds, they were like style icons to us - I can still remember some of the clothes they wore. Looking back they were all really generous with us and spent time chatting and even playing records for us - they probably enjoyed the respect we gave them. As time went on they grew their hair a bit and moved away from the style - not because they were hostile to it but life moves on. Just as, at 19 I didn't want to look like a reject from the Bay City Rollers, so at 19 they didn't want to be seen wearing what 15 year olds were wearing, Put another way, they simply grew out of it.

    Spot on with your comment about the other cause of people moving on. The death of any 'street' , 'underground' or 'youth' culture is always commercialism and the mass market. Think of any reggae record with the word 'Skinhead' in it, think what "Wigan's Ovation" did for Northern Soul, or what cardboard "Pork Pie" hats did for two tone!
     
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    A bit off subject maybe, but for those of you interested in shoe brands and shopping in Paris.
    Fairmount used to be an American shoemaker that was bought some years ago by a French company. The shoes are now made in Brasil.
    I noticed the shop for a while, and i think they look really good (better than bexley's imho)
    Their Longwings exist in different colors and cost 195 euros, they also do a nice tassel loafer.[​IMG]
     
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    Amen Brothah.Sad fact to accept but,if one can, I think one is better off.
     
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    Stupid as it may sound,I remember the time when they started selling the fake silk hanky (The piece of cardboard with the red fabric diamond shapes) and Tie- Tacks already in the Crombies.
    To me that was the beginning of the mass market for them.I can vividly recall seeking out a nice real silk one way before that,to wear in my jacket pocket,and used it when I got my Crombie,without the Tie- Tack!
    Minutiae I know,but it stuck in my mind.
     

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