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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    Man-of-Mystery. I saw the picture and i know that the jungle greens were talked about earlier in the thread,i was wondering if Pressure_Drop could remember the type of trousers worn here in Bristol then.I can remember coming to London for the first time,it was around christmas but i cant remember what year,i do remember seeing lads wearing long denim coats with a denim belt and a sheepskin collar.There have been a few regional variations mentioned on this thread and its quite surprising how the overall style spread around the country,i know that we saw other fans wearing different kit at football and people from other places would congregate at seaside resorts.I remember a bit later Chelsea coming to Bristol and seeing loads of their lot wearing the green Alpha flight jackets,i had never seen them before and i was impressed,i went to London a couple of weeks after and bought one.
     
  2. MikeDT

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    I know the place. I shall probably head there with a mate. There's a place in Soundwell I always liked, near the baths. Can't remember what it's called though.


    I know there was a couple of dismal rough cider places in Bedminster, like the Barley Mow on Bedminster Parade. And I used to regularly go to the Essex Arms in Kingswood, that was rough and ready, but was always a good bunch of people.


    Can't wait really and I start my journey back to the UK on Wednesday....

    flight > Hohhot
    flight > PingDingShan
    train > GuangZhou
    train > ShenZhen
    walk > Hong Kong
    flight > Malaysia
    flight > London Heathrow
    National Express > Bristol
     
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  3. McDermott

    McDermott Well-Known Member

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    Classic Look with Greens

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    Im sure they have been posted on before, but some videos of Aus 'Sharpies'. Great example of how a subculture is taken and changed.. Fantastic knitwear IMO. :


    'who cut your hair ?' ...


    From the Book ive been trying to get but i think its out of print


    Even there own unique style of dancing




    Yes true... I dont mind a bit shorter, but as its been pointed out before the 'Really really tight' fitted look that is expected of later 60's and 70's is not always the case. I see modern skinheads wearing everything quite fitted, I still prefer a baggier harrington and knitwear etc. Depends what it is, but if im getting stuff made like that shirt then ill go the distance to get the details correct. They aint got nothing on me anyway !! [​IMG]

    Not done the 'ulster fry' or the other one.. but found nothing I cant eat yet !!! [​IMG]
     
  4. buttons

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    Korean war button flies
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    or Vietnam issue with aluminium zip
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    Other types were worn - depends on what your local Army Navy store were stocking at the time .... aint that right Mr Basset?
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    McDermott - I'm still doing the Levi Jacket/Tartan Scarf look myself - the nearest I get to skinhead style these days (and at 58, probably just as well!) Your breakfast reminded me of my Dad who would put a big fry down in front of me and say, "Get that down you lad, it'll grease your lungs!"

    Coloured Doc Martens - in 1972 younger kids around Manchester started painting their boots - Red and Black (City), Yellow and Blue (united). The writing was really on the wall when some started spraying them silver (Gary Glitter!).
     
  6. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    Buttons and McDermott, Excellent pictures,i am taking comfort in Buttons saying that different surplus shops stocked different kit. If McDermotts scarf was red and white (Bristol city) and his trousers had cargo pockets it would be how i (probably wrongly !) remember it.Blimey Basset i hope you have got a loyalty card for your surplus store !
     
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    Cernebbes go back a few hundred pages on this thread Jungle Greens have been covered in depth, The ones Buttons is wearing in the above pics are the type we wore in 68 American issue from local Army Surplus Shop.

    I think you will find some 79/80 Skinheads wore Greens, British Army Lightweights with the thigh pocket which was standard issue.

    Just to add the pics above, Buttons wearing 60s American Greens, and Basset wearing the 70s/80s British Army Issue,

    Think I was there when that pic was taken Will Margate?, I was wearing my Greens that day also.:)
     
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  8. Pressure_Drop

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    Lots of stuff going on at the moment.

    Cerneabbas - that was Ian Sparkes, yes he was a bit of a dresser, but can't remember the white suit (thankfully!) Navy whites were just that, white baggy Naval trousers bought from good ex Army, as you say Marcruss on Hotwells Road was a favourite but Browns on Gloucester Road was also popular (bought my first pair of ex Army boots there). Skinners made white baggy jeans and were popular for a while and a think the lads who bought Navy whites did so because they couldn't afford Skinners.

    I never wore Army Greens but can remember them being quite popular (around 71ish?) but I thought they did have side pockets and like modern day combats but I may be wrong.

    Bovver mocs - I remember these very well and I'm surprised no other lads have commented on them, the first lad I knew who wore them was Egghead who bought them in London (he was a Chelsea lad - hung around with China - they both knew Eccles/Greenaway). I bought them in one of the high street shoe shops in Bristol - maybe Stead & Simpson and I recall that they were at the tail-end of suedehead and moving into smoothies, worn with Crombies and tonics, just after brogues/loafers but before platforms so a nice little compromise. I only remember them in black, they had a thick rubber/composite sole and heavy stitching around the top (like loafers) but lace up.

    Interesting seeing the photos of Pete Townshend wearing Monkey Boots (I still have a pair that I bought in the 70s) I've just read his autobiography (disappointing, full of pretentious claptrap) and he mentions wearing DMs all the time and no mention of Monkey Boots.
     
  9. cerneabbas

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    Lasttye. I have read what was said earlier in the thread about jungle greens,i saw the picture that you put up of yours.I just dont remember that the ones worn here in Bristol were the same (and that could be me remembering wrong),one thing i definitely remember was they were known as "army greens" here (that doesnt mean that they were different trousers though). Yes i remember seeing lads wearing the green lightweights (like Basset is wearing in the picture with Buttons) i also remember them wearing DPM camo trousers,as you say this was late 70s early 80s.
     
  10. cerneabbas

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    Pressure_Drop. Yes it was Ian Sparkes suit that i saw, when you think this was 5 or 6 years before Saturday night fever maybe he was ahead of the times.I didnt know about white skinners but i do remember lads wearing "navy whites",i heard someone say that they had to boil wash them after every time they wore them (i bet that was to get shoe polish marks off the bottom of the legs).Phew,i am glad you remember "army greens" with side/cargo pockets as well,i thought i was going to be on my own in the nuthouse for a minute.Bovver moccs,i had 2 pairs (they were really cheap !) i got mine in Lennards in Westbury,i had black and brown,i polished the brown ones ox blood.Do you remember Bath v Plymouth FA cup?,i was with you and Paul W that day before the match ! ,do you remember the police took one blokes steel toe caps off him? he was stood there in the middle of winter in his socks,his mates went in a shop and bought him the brightest orange and black canvas shoes!!! he looked a right prat in his sheepskin and jeans....happy days.
     
  11. Lasttye

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    Every area had their own Army Surplus shop and I am sure they had their own supply sources, around our way we had a mate who worked in one after school..word got around about a batch of Greens two days later sold out.
    The next batch that came in may be different from the last, I am sure I had a few pairs that only had one rear flapped pocket.

    The British Army did issue a OG Jungle Green in the early 60s, and they had a thigh pocket and cross over belt , when I was in the Army years later they was well sought after as ally kit, I did put a pic of me in the Army wearing a pair.

    Again its about what went on local,

    Brill stuff coming on here about the Bristol scene and local herberts,:)
     
  12. Botolph

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    Just curious: Would the shoes in my avatar be considered Bovver Moccs? Got a thick black crepe rubber sole, top stitching.
    Either way, I think they're the hound's mounds.

    Here's a couple more pics, and no I didn't 1.get them from there or 2.pay that much!

    http://www.endclothing.com/alden-arguello-ranger-moc-91902.html
     
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  13. cerneabbas

    cerneabbas Senior member

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    Lasttye. you are right about the different surplus shops having different suppliers,we used to go to Weymouth to visit relatives and there were a couple of surplus shops there that we would visit...different kit to the Bristol shops.Even now when i go to mainland Europe if i see a surplus shop i will go in for a nose around,amazing what you find,in Munich a few years ago i got a German policemans leather belt as new its got 2 lots of holes and a double "prong" just the right size for cargos or combats and its black so it matches my monkey boots.......hmm sounds terrible thinks everyone else .
     
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    I am still addicted to Army Surplus shops.. cant walk past one,:) Always end up buying stuff that by the time i get home i realise what i have bought is of no use to anyone,:D,:D,:D
     
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  15. cerneabbas

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    Botolph. Your shoes are quite like "bovver moccs", but about a thousand times better quality ! these things were very cheap (i was at school and even i could have 2 pairs !).The main differences that i can see is that on our moccs the stitching didnt go along the side of the shoe toward the heel and where yours have 2 lines of stitches around the front of the shoe ours were stitched through and over (not a good explanation) so that the shoe has a raised sewn seam around the front.Hmm thats not explaining it right either.I remember that the thread on the seam was very exposed and it broke on my black pair and the top of the shoe started to come away from the toe,i got some heavy thread and a darning needle and resewed it,a bit of polish and they were as "good" as new again.I will try and find some shoes like them online if i can.I do remember looking at some lace up weejuns once and they were a bit like our moccs (not the sole though).
     
  16. cerneabbas

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    Lasttye. I am the same,i bet its blokes like us who keep them going.The big one in Bristol is opposite the gym i go to,i dare not go in i will be there for hours and come out with some "gem". I did buy one useful thing in a place in France,a ripstop nylon poncho with a hood,it folds really small and i take it when i go out (its great for our summers !) walking in the Brecon Beacons,its showerproof and although i look a berk in it at least i am a dry berk.
     
  17. Lasttye

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    What attracts me cernebbas is the smell of the shop ..takes me back to to the very early 60s getting WW11 Webbing, favourite bit of kit the Gas Mask slung carrier and webbing belt.
    Its funny in the Army i always like the smell of the Stores..which was a similar smell, Fcuk sounds like i have a fetish.:D
     
  18. Basset

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    Good to see Soundwell get a mention, it's where i grew up, im not far from there now just round the corner from the anchor made forever and the royal archer, both boarded up. The cafe you mention has had a couple of names, tom dick and harrys, franks cafe, it's recently changed names again, angelas cafe i think, it used to be a bike shop, i was always in there getting bits, the bloke who ran it wore a brown coat, i've no idea what he looked like he was just a hand that appeared thru a cloud of pipe smoke and asked for money [​IMG]
     
  19. Basset

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    Ah Margate the jewel of the coast[​IMG], wore BA lightweights to death as a youngster, just went in the shop and bought what i called army trousers, they are as good today as they were back then, i dont think theres many items of clothing that you can say that for these days, average price around 15 quid good vfm in my book.
    Theres a few notable differences between these and the one that Buttons is wearing, buttonrd belt loops, metal buckled waist adjusters and the detail which is most noted the thigh pocket, not sure when they were first issued to the forces, but it's worth pondering because they do sometimes come without the thigh pocket depending on what batch has been issued, so if they were around late 60's early 70's they may well have been worn in certain areas?
     
  20. cerneabbas

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    Lasttye.Coincidence that you should mention webbing belts i saw a guy the other week outside a shop that was having some renovation work done in central Bristol.This bloke was one of the builders and he was outside smoking a fag,he looked a bit like Nick Cotton off eastenders..anyway he was wearing a 37 pattern webbing belt polished black....but the state of his belt brasses !!! i felt like giving him a right bollocking !. You saying about smell,what about when you went into a shop selling Levis in the late 60s early 70s ? that smell was something else....like Brut,the smell of our youth !
     

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