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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Yankee

    Yankee Well-Known Member

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    As ubiquitous as people who listened to pearl jam, nirvana, or any other "alternative" band on a major label played round the clock on MTV and topping the charts. Which really was a crapload of people.
     


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    Sorry to sound so hostile.You may think it was a ''crapload" of people but they were still a huge minority compared to the "Pedestrians" or "Normals" as some people call them.If you were into grunge you were still a member of a "subculture" even if the music was in the charts.The problem with people who belong to "subcultures" is that they exist in a "subculture" ghetto,believing there are more of them than there really is.Example.I was talking to a 60 year old woman who went to University of Wisconsin in 67 when the vietnam protests started(she was a hippie and involved)she was confused as to where the movement went(this was a couple of years ago)and I told her the majority of her peers in the 60's were not hippies or anti-Vietnam.I talked to my aunt about this and she said there was one hippie at her college.Very few "Normals" wear DM's.If you wear them it is a sub fashion subculture thing.The only people in NYC I saw wearing DM's were from a "subculture"The east village punk indie folks dressed all in black.I am ultra observant on the street(due to PTSD)and I would know if a Train conductor or a wallstreet rat was wearing them.It's odd that you folks have jumped down my throat about this I didn't think it was such a serious remark.I was just tryin to get a handle on what aspects of subculture has reached the mainstream and what has not.The folks on this thread my age(46 yes 46)have commented on the various items appropriated by the mainstream.But I can't comment.To be honest Ed is the only person on this thread who responded to my posts with respect(thanks Ed) I will leave you to it,Best of luck with the book I will definitely buy a copy.
     


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    It was here that I first met Jim Cox(in the Gents).It was as if we had known each other for years-his Missus had to come in and get him out,for his "Set".Great Guy.I met some Americans in there,who could not believe anything like it.Yes,it was one of the better Clubs.:)
     


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    Yankmod,I was replying to Ed`s list of DM Wearers.What has happened over here is the World and his Wife wears DMs(so it has been opened to ridicule).British Humour.I certainly would not wear DMs now,but you do see them being worn with Suits???
     


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    I'm sure that's it, a lot of people might listen to grunge, reggae, ska, or whatever, but never aspire to actually dress in a certain way or be like their favourite artists. Unless they're really a part of that subculture. I was listening to punk in 76, long before it went mainstream. I still love punk and new wave music now, but never had the desire to dress or do my hair like them though.

    Of course where I am now, all the familiar names in music, styles and subcultures I grew up with, almost no one has ever heard of them around here. They certainly don't know what a skinhead, teddy boy, rocker, mod, hippy or a punk is most of the time, unless they read about it on the internet. No one grew up with these things here. I work in an office with about 20 other people of all ages, and not one of them had ever heard of the Sex Pistols or The Who. Yet they know James Last, Richard Clayderman, John Denver, The Carpenters and The Beatles.
     
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  6. Ed Vaughan

    Ed Vaughan Senior member

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    'Two nations, divided by a common language', is how (I believe) Sir Winston Churchill described the UK and the USA... sometimes meanings are misconstrued - best not dwell on them, eh? :nodding:

    Anyway, for the most part, we're all friends, here... :satisfied:
     


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    browniecj Senior member

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    I believe we are,even though we do not see each other (except the People I have met-from this Site).:)
     


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    Nah, I'm talking everyday people that buy what is comfortable and available. They lose their lustre fast when all your friends dads are wearing them. I would certainly agree that the availability and acceptability of DMs sky-rocketed in NA because of what happened musically in the early part of that decade, though. Similar to what happened with what used to be considered skateboarding shoes. Kind of irrelevant to the thread either way.
     


  9. Yankee

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    And a surprisingly touchy one at that.
     


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    Yeah, we're mates.
     


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    I love this knitted polo by fred perry, has just been re-issued.

    http://www.fredperry.com/textured-knitted-shirt-48.html

    What era would you estimate this knitted polo to originate from?
    I've seen loads of vintage FP 80's examples of this exact style, but I'm hoping it's from a lot earlier?
     


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    i'm astonished - and not a little disappointed - by the prices of FP gear nowadays.

    I seem to remember it was on a par - or slightly cheaper - than Slazenger back in the 60s and 70s.

    £175 for a Harrington and £100 for a very average-looking shirt? :slayer:

    I could see the point if the gear was genuinely original (ok - old)... as opposed to re-issued clobber that could be knocked-up in some Chinese sweat shop.

    Maybe I'm grumpy 'cos I'm old. :satisfied:
     
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    You`re right Ed.If you look at the Brand Names(we knew),they have all gone the same way.Trouble is People are paying the Prices.Thats what amazes me!
     


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    That's how it goes, those brands that we knew and loved are now ugly, overpriced monstrosities of their formers selves. I believe FP is just a brand of some Japanese conglomerate, who know that people are willing to pay top prices for it. I've seen FP polos here, actually quite cheap, probably seconds, excess or second run production from some Guangzhou or Dongguan sweat shop that makes them for FP. Obvously the late Mr Perry himself no longer has a say in the business.
     
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    I dare say I should have introduced my take on 'soundsnpressure's' (thanks for the heads-up, btw) post with: 'When I was a lad...'

    What next, 'chocolate bars are now smaller', or 'I've just seen these really cool slippers...' or maybe just a blunt, loud: Gercha!!!'?


    :D
     


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