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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. TomMc666

    TomMc666 Senior member

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    I know what it was in 69, only a kid but it was a fashion, most of my slightly older uncles, aunts and cousins were skinheads and it even impact on kids like me who were 8 or 9 - but I was a kid and wouldnt claim to be a skinhead then no matter what clothes I wore and haircut. But you didnt really answer my question, it would have been your perception of what was happening in 77-84 rather than experience. As I've said in another post it wasn't just one wave but a number, based on the year, the age of the people involved and even location - met many over the period from Paisley to Ferryhill to Coventry who looked the part. I also do know about the soulscene in London,even as a suedehead and into the mod scene I still drank in Hoxton, Hackney Road and Bethnal Green and most of my mates were into it, some going to the Goldmine etc. My brother, who became a skinhead at the same time as me but stopped after awhile, used to drink at all of these places in 78 and up the Edward at the Angel and over Tower Bridge Road and the Blue and they, not being soul boys or skinheads or mod, had their own look, like many other blokes in these areas, straight jeans and cords - think fiorucci was in around 78/79? - lacoste, burberry macs, kickers amongst other brands and their look for me influenced the later casual look. I know a bit about the Casuals as well as into the early 80s many of us from 77-78 had evolved in the football casual scene - a quite a few went into the later rave scene. Appreciate your comment on aspirational dressing but why do you think that a good many in the period in 77-84 into either skinhead or mod also didnt have this approach? That was what is was all about for many of us. Does that mean that all in the soul boy scene looked great? I'd beg to differ on that seeing what some of my mates wore! and listening to Patrick Juvet, good help us!

    The bonehead look, for my two pennyworth, is probably that some didnt want the traditional look and wanted something of their own, more aggressive, possibly influenced by the politicalisation of some at the time.... my personal hate around that time was the growing number around the West End, glued up and begging, looking like punks and then the facial tatoos... wasnt part of my scene but unfortunately if you ask some today on what a skinhead is it will be that image or a nazi bonehead that figures highly

    Personally wouldn't listen listen to either Roy Ayers or Bad Manners.... Bad Manners were exactly what they looked like, a Top of the Pops band for younger kids.
     
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  2. flyfronted

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    Look im sorry if i can across a bit arsey Tom , ill refrain from using the Bonehead word for now . I was to young in 69 to afford the clobber and to old in 78 to be a Skinhead although the Soul boy look that started in 74/75 seemed a natural progression from Smoothie / Suedehead .
     
  3. TomMc666

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    Not a problem, and no offence taken.... my apologies if I look like I was biting back! And I agree there were a lot of boneheads around, it wasnt a style I liked and the politics, well I was hated by by the left and the right - remember being outside the Birdcage on Sunday afternoon in 78 when that mug Joe Pearce, the Leader of the Young NF came up to me and 2 of my mates with his group of minders and told us that we couldnt be real skinheads unless we were NF..... we told him what to do with his comments and he couldnt get out of there quick enough!

    Think that this main issue really around age at the time. I can see how moving into to the soul scene was a logical step.

    Tom
     
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  4. TomMc666

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    This was posted on facebook yesterday, not sure its been on here?
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    We've made out that its Bolton, not the year. Is that the style with the berets mentioned further back?
     
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    This was also posted, looks like part of a set of the Coventry photos, not sure about the gooner on the left!
    [​IMG]
     
  6. harrysgame

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    Bleached jeans were around in the earlier days you know. It wasnt just a BONEHEAD thing.
     
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    Id be interested in knowing what year this was. Looks early to me, but as Flyfronted has probably seen. Not a smart dresser amongst them. If you wern't around in the skinhead cirlcles in late 70s early 80s then you couldnt possibly say there were no smart skinheads around and that they were all scruffy. I have seen my fair share of scruffy skinheads from the early days. But i wouldnt be so anal as to say that all early skinheads were scruffy.
     
  8. flyfronted

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    Northerners mate what do you expect . Look all i can do is go from my memory - if i had seen smart Skinheads in 78 -80 then i would have been impressed .
     
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    Never remember seeing them in my area ,but then again just look at the amount of people who say they never saw grandad vests.lots of Grey areas I suppose?
     
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    Yes, that's the Bolton photo I was thinking of when I posted about berets a bit back. I'd stick my neck out and date it at 1969 on the basis of the beret and most of the boots I can see look to me to be the general heavy numbers (hobnails, steel toecaps etc.) that were popular in the Greater Manchester area at that time.
     
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    I have said this before...I thought Skinheads ended around 70/71.... although I did see some boneheads 78?up the North End Road..standing around with Martin Webster of the NF...I just walk past thinking they was Punks.
    Its only about five years ago that i discovered that Skinheads are still around and have been so since the late 70s....I have not a clue what it was like...but have made many fiends who was there and have learnt from them...it must have been a great time for them as it was a great time for us Originals....and if you ask anyone about when they was 15/17 i bet they would all say they had a great time...
    The best years of our lives whatever you was into.:)
     
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    ... and anyone from Manchester would see Bolton as a world apart [​IMG]
     
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    Glad to hear that roytonboy. I stopped wearing mine around 71 out of superstition as we had some rotten results when I wore it. The "skullcap" had a luckier run for a few seasons until we lost at Wembley in 74. These days I prefer a small pin badge of the old round City logo that was on the programme cover in 69; suits my vintage and reminds me of those happy days.
     
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    I'm guessing '69 for similar reasons to above but also cos they won the cup winners cup that year (so had summet to celebrate). Various clothes and shoes left over from the mod times. They don't all look bad .... just most of them. And that lad at the front with his arms out - street urchin. Although you often find tagged onto many groups, a mouthy hard-nut with no style and not a half decent outfit to his name.
     
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    Agree with your comments, buttons, but I think Bolton won nowt (as they'd say locally) in 1969 and were down towards the bottom of the old Division 2 - so maybe they were celebrating avoiding relegation[​IMG]
     
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    Beautifully put,Buttons.....oh so true.
     
  17. elwood

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    I remember that very clearly too, roytonboy. This photo of City fans in Vienna for the Cup Winners’ Cup final in April 1970 illustrates the denim & denim combination. Not great quality reproduction but 2nd and 3rd right show what you mention.

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    It’s also an interesting “compare and contrast” with some of the photos earlier in the thread showing Chelsea fans in Manchester on the very same day for the FA Cup Final replay. (I realise I’m setting this up for comments about Northerners’ sartorial standards [​IMG]).
     
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    Denim Jackets and Jeans Combination was widespread all over the North 60s70s....That why us Chelsea did not wear Denim Jackets...yes i know this is all been said by me before.. and yes someone will have a pic of a Londoner with a denim jacket on....but it was 99.9% Northern kit.:D
     
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    :brick: :)Happy Easter!
     
  20. flyfronted

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    Its in greater manchester isnt it ? i went there with Chelsea in the 70s n 80s .
     

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