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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. TomMc666

    TomMc666 Senior member

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    Did you go to the Seabright or the Norfolk? A good article here on them here http://www.village-soul.com/page10.htm

    Remember going to the first, I think, of the 6TS nights at the Bedford in 79, me and a few of my mates stood out like sore thumbs as we were suedeheads or mods and most were much older and normal.
     
  2. TomMc666

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    in terms of what the public looked like in 77-78 some good examples here
    http://z12.invisionfree.com/StandUpSitDown/index.php?showtopic=3768
    well worth a look!

    at the same time - I was still going over Spurs before going over West Ham in 79 - I looked like this for a few months in 77 before becoming a suedehead, I dont think I looked like a bonehead and I know that the Hoxton, Becontree, Mile End, the Bow, the Swiss Cottage and the Ladbrooke Grove didnt look like boneheads.
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    Some of my mates in late 77/78 - before them moved into mod, Johnny Butler, Gary Dickle, Glenn Murphy Jnr age 2, Vince Riordan (later of the Rejects) and Binnsy - who stayed a skinhead until the mid 80s, all of the Sham Roadcrew in late 77/early 78. Photo taken in the old Bridgehouse

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    Johns A day in the life article that was in Sounds is here http://www.skinheadheaven.org.uk/index.php/cuttings/69-a-life-in-the-day-of-a-skinhead
     
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  3. yankmod

    yankmod Senior member

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    Way Cool.They look pretty Traditional.The wee one is great.Can you tell me why they moved into Mod from here?Thanks for the post.
     
  4. TomMc666

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    Yankmod,
    A wrote this on another forum a few years ago
    In London, by 76/77 there were only a few skins about, people like Terry Madden from Swiss Cottage and Binnsy from Arsenal and a couple of years above me at school. I was a punk in 76 and in 77, I bumped into a bloke in full skin regalia, sta-prest, Ben Sherman, Crombie and Loafers! A bit of a shock to the system, the last proper skins I remembered , at the age of 10-11 being my Uncles and cousins - 69/70 smart. The decison was simple, move away from something I'd enjoyed to being different and sharper. At first being a skin was class, everyone who got into it went looking for the right gear, visiting every old tailor and army surplus etc hoping to get Ben Shermans (in the 'wooden' boxes') Sta-Prest. To my and my mates in Hoxton, we preferred loafers and brogues rather than boots, look smarter and just as hard. Hair was a No.2 with the classic razor parting. I raided my uncles old rooms for records and original Shermans, levi staprest, harringtons, suits....found the usual Tighten Up Volume 2 and loads of Pama and Bluebeat....but better still tons of Tamla and Stax, led to me spending a fortune since then!

    At first, and this was the same as the 78/79 Mod Revival, it didnt matter where you were from, but you were a skinhead.We met the Archway Skins (Suggs and Toks), Becontree (Nelson and Lawrence), Croydon , Kilburn (Joel McBride), Bow and Canning Town ('H', Hodges). Away from the grounds, football and poliitcs didnt matter. We'd meet down Brick Lane on Sundays, looking around for records and clobber and then off for a beer. But the politics started to move in and, as the first lot of revival skins were a fairly hard bunch, more and more of the plastic skins started arriving to latch onto it. Shave your head? Tattoo..on your neck and face? Big Boots and Flying jackets? At football skins started to make a big return...

    We were around 17-19 and I suppose with more and more becoming skinheads, we wanted something different, not to be associated with the kids and others noe becoming skinheads. Me, I became a suedehead, I think I was the only one about for a couple of years. Many started to get into the mod scene that was starting in mid-78, again a small scene..... the look was good, the mod revival bnads such as the Chords, the Purple Hearts and Secret Affiar were good.

    Some of us started growing our hair and thought of ourselves as suedeheads,and many were already into the emerging mod scene. I remember when we coached up north to see the Jam at Saddleworth and Secret Affair at Huddersfield, the culture shock between us and the Northern Scooter Clubs with their flares, parkas and beer cloths sewn on the back of parkas to dry their seats. We thought they were scruffy hippies and they thought we were poofs with our 501s, suits, ben shermans and short hair. The London look was eptomised by the Glory Boys (the Glory Boys Album Liner)who followed both Secret Affair and the Jam...and later the Rejects. In 78 and 79 seemed to pick up again with new bands and the same 'community' atmosphere'....What was funny was that the glue skins now seemed to think anyone in a suit was a mod and ready for a battering, something they found out wasnt true (the Rejects at the Electric Ballroom, first trying to dig me for a mohair suit - said I was a soulboy! -ending with them getting a battering from the Rejects and us, thier roadcrew, and then later that night, when feeling brave and thinking we'd all left, they started playing football with a young kid around the floor in a parka, which led to us clearing the place out). They were hard times, there were rows at most gigs... it wasnt just the politics....

    It sounds elitist, but as it became more popular, then it started to go downhill for many of us. As mohicans and begging did for punk (no one was a mohican in 76/77), the glue sniffers and idiots did for skin, for mod it seemed that Poison Ivy etc and mail order (just wear a parka, be a mod) started to do it for mod....sounds snobby I know but was the way it was.

    The last big event I can recall was the August Bank Holiday at Southend in 1979, where skins - of the various kinds about then -, mods, punks, teds etc all seemed to fight with each other (See Garry Bushells original Sounds article and Kims article in Maximum Speed). The mob I was with were based around West Ham and were after the Teds and Skins (they looked a disgrace to us...read the fanzine Hard as Nails for some excellent piss takes as Harry and his Skinhead girl (typical glue sniffing idiots)get transported back in time to 69....as a mob of 69 sharp skins are transported to 79). That night we went to the Paddocks on Canvey Island to watch Secret Affair.

    As the 80's arrived many of the old skin and mod firms, especially from East London, had moved into the football casual scene........Some of us were getting old and moved on


    sorry about the white on black text.

    Tom
     
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    Yes I used to go to The Norfolk(both Friday Nights and Saturday-when you had a "Special" on).I am actually named in the Article regarding the Norfolk.Terry is a good Friend of mine,and I still see a lot of the old crowd now.In fact there is another Night in the East End(Horse and Groom,Curtain Road,EC2).It is co-run by my old Partner-in Crime(running Soul Dos)Mark Houghton-Binsy Taylor who is mentioned in the Article,also co runs that night.The Area is buzzing with Soul again.:)
     
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    :brick:
     
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    God forbid they dress like normal blokes.
     
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    Thanks Tom.Great read.
     
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    Soul will never die browniecj.Every generation discovers it and it is re-born and kept alive.
     
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    I wore mine to the last home game!
     
  12. Man-of-Mystery

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    'Built for comfort', eh? :D
     
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    On the other hand, I can remember that in 1970 onwards I felt that Tamla Motown had become too slick. True there were some great records like the Temptations' 'Papa Was A rolling Stone', but most Motown stuff seemed over-produced. Some early New Orleans funk (like The Meters' 'Cissy Strut') was good, but I can see how people missed the kind of soul and Tamla sounds from the 1960s.

    My major quarrel with the 'Northern Soul' scene was always that it was too narrow-minded. It managed to dig out a lot of obscure records, but when you heard the majority of them you realised why they were obscure in the first place - they simply weren't that good!
     
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    No it will not,because People want to go out and play it.A Footnote on the Horse and Groom.Between 5;30 and 6;30 pm(on the same night)they have a Jamaican Dj spinning Rocksteady and Early Reggae.How good is that?I will mix with your "City Types" just to listen to most of my favourite Styles of Music. :)



    And a lot of the ones that are big,big money,M-o-M.
     
  15. Aces and Eights

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    Well recalled. Back in 1970 my girlfriend lugged one of those wicker baskets everywhere. They were a pain as they took up room when you sat down somewhere together and the basket would be jabbing you in the leg. With their open design people could see what was in them and her mates were always taking items out of it, Pretty useless fashion accessory of the era. I had forgotten all about them - they were not popular for long
     
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    What Soul and Ska did for me,was they opened up a whole wide World of Sounds.I do not think I can be "Pigeonholed" in my Tastes.I visit Clubs that play Northern,then I also visit Clubs(one of which I am going to over Easter)where Blues,Rythmn and Blues,Soul,Ska,Jazz,Boogaloo etc.will be spun.I can listen to Blues made in the 20s and 30s,Jump Blues,Mento,Calypso etc.That is what growng up in the 50s and going out to Clubs in the 60s has meant to me.:D
     
  17. TomMc666

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    Think it was similar to me in a way in terms of opening up different sounds. 'Inheriting' my uncles original record collection had a major influence on me. I'd been into punk early on and had got into garage etc. My uncle - and me aunts and cousins - told me they'd like reggae etc but were more into soul in 68-71 - probably also helped by the fact that my older uncles and aunts etc had been mods and similarly had been into soul, blues, R&B. His record collection had a really good selection of about 40 or 50 reggae, bluebeat and ska albums but its was the larger number of soul albums that got my attention - the first one I played was the This is Soul sampler on Atlantic, to my mind one of the best samplers, and that was it I was hooked. It was from there my collecting soul, blues, R&R and later early funk really started big time. A great period then getting hold of decent records mainly at a sensible price from shops in Caledonian Road to Berwick Street, Rock On at Camden to Soho and down the Lane. Also in odd places, I remember a discount store in Barking opening up in 79 around the corner from the Barge Aground pub and for some reason they'd go hold of original Motown, Stax, Trojan, Pama and many more labels - all in pristine condition- and were selling them for like 50p each.
     
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  18. flyfronted

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    Soul moves on anyway .. 60's Soul to 70s's funk to 80's House and onwards . British kids of all colours now have Soul inprinted in there DNA .
     
  19. browniecj

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    Bloody hell,wish I had visited that Shop.By then I was going to Spooky Lady,Room At The Top,Lacy Lady etc.,well into Jazz and Jazz Funk.

    My biggest Influence was my Mum.She had Albums of the Platters,Ink Spots etc.,so I got into the Harmonising Groups very early.My Eldest Sister was into R&R.Her favourite Singer(behind Elvis)was Little Richard-now he opened up the "Devil`s Music" :)
     
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    What do you think Skinhead was in 1969 ? it was THE fashion unlike in 79 when it was a youth cult .Youth cults as opposed to 'fashions' always take things to the extreme and lose the initial sharpness and actual fashion side of the original scene they ape . The late 70s Soul scene in London was all about labels and getting it right - aspirational dressing , looking better than the beer boys - that one upman ship that the original Mods and Skins and later Casuals all had at the core of there dressing.Much better music as well ... no one would swap a Roy ayers import LP for a Bad manners one would they .
     
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