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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. flyfronted

    flyfronted Senior member

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    Surely having the right labels is important to any youth cult especially those that have a smart look . Crombie's should be made by Crombie , Sta prest by Levi's , shirts by BS going to buy market versions or fakes is the opposite of the idea of working class chaps dressing above there station.
     
  2. ek77

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    if you followed the whole thread you would know, that alot of the old ones on here allready posted that they and other kids didnt had the money for all the original brands back in the days....
    and in 2012, i still would prefer any non brand made in the 70s button down shirt, over these so called skinhead brands made in china now.....
     
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  3. Kingstonian

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    A nice place to live but very expensive in recent years. It still has a lot of individual shops rather than the national chains. I had not noticed DMs there but then I was not looking. I also like the way Feltham always seems to get mentioned as a chavvy dump - not just by you. Teddington is a good way from Feltham all the same.
     
  4. MikeDT

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    Very few skinheads in China though, and certainly no original ones(except maybe for the odd expat). ;) Mao Zedong didn't exactly encourage that sort of thing.
     
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  5. MikeDT

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    Possibly Ed.. I have been thinking about it. :nodding: But I wouldn't really want to get into the Chinese apparel industry though, Too much shit going on. Few winners, many losers. Being a foreign teacher and only one of two expats(NOT sexpats) in the whole city, I'm treated like a VIP sometimes, get to know a lot of people. I'm sure the key to getting on in China, besides knowing Mandarin and the culture, is to have a good guanxi(good personal contacts, who can get things done, give good information and get you in places if needed).

    Many people come to China, don't bother learning Mandarin or anything about the culture, hang with other sexpats in places near Hong Kong and Macao, just get drunk every night and fuck every hooker they can get hold of. I started in Zhuhai near Macao with other expats, but then soon moved on when I realised what a bunch of wasters many of them are.
     
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  6. MikeDT

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    It's not just about visible labels and logos and what company made a particular garment, Which is brand whoring, something I very much detest. Thing is most of these famous brands now bare absolutely no relation to what they once where. Fred Perry is owned by some Japanese fashion conglomerate, Crombie is owned and run by a bank, and Levi is a huge multinational mega-corporation. All their products come from cheap sweatshop labour here in far-east, and sold for sky-high prices in the west. Think the worst examples are Emporio Armani, Abercrombie & Fitch and Dolce & Gabbana.
     
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  7. Darksideoftheforce

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    Ah ok. So technically not so much a fake as they are non licenced.
     
  8. browniecj

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    I used to work with a Window Dresser(during the 60s)who came from Feltham.Always reckoned it was a good place then.How time changes Places.
     
  9. MikeDT

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    Yeh, that's pretty much it, unlicensed second-shift production, plus there's some seconds and rejects that go out the back door as well. I bought a pair of Sperry Top-siders a few days ago from a local store, they're the exact same made in China boat shoes that Sperry sells for 70 to 100 quid, I paid 260RMB, that's about 26 quid. I've bought quite a few things like this over the last three years in China, It's all good quality, difference is...the price. Plus they also seem to fit me much better than many clothes from Chinese brands, which are usually too small for me, usually the sleeves are too short.

    There's plenty of things that really are inferior fakes though, like LV, Hermes, Rolex, Montblanc, etc. High ticket luxury items, that don't usually come from China. But on the other hand no one is really going to fake Debenhams, M&S, Topman or River Island.
     
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    I agree with this statement,
    apart from skinhead being a youth cult. It's a well established subculture now, that has quite a steep learning curve. Any newcomers to this scene, soon realise you can't cut the mustard with a Relco or Warrior shirt at an 'event'.

    I've seen shit clobber at mod/skin events. But this is usually from 'norms' (for want of a better term) that aren't really into it all, OR are experimenting with the scene.
    If you haven't got the dosh to spend, fair enough, improvise. Do the best you can. Nothing wrong with that. A great deal of my wardrobe is good quality second hand.But I do my best to look smart,clean and presentable.

    Saying that, as soon as I'm pissed. All my good intentions go straight out the window. And I'm lucky to get home with both brogues [​IMG]

    (with regards to fakes. I've NEVER seen a decent fred perry fake. I bet there are some out there. But i've never seen one. The easiest way to tell in my experience, is the tension in the arm cuff elastic, if the laurel isn't an easy giveaway)
     
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  11. HughJ

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    I naively/accidentally purchased a fake about 10 years ago on eBay, and this was my experience with the elastic too - especially after a wash. However, as MikeDT suggests, if it is from an "unauthorised second-run production", it would be 100% identical and you'd never know.
     
  12. HughJ

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    I'm right with you. When I can buy a perfect fitting MTM shirt that I pick out all the details of for the same price, there's not much of a decision involved.
     
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    There's also seconds/rejects as well. They'll inevitably be items made that don't meet whatever quality standards laid down by the client. The factory won't destroy them when they can sell them. I noiced today that one of the local stores, got a load of Dr. Marten boots in. Think there's a lorry comes from Beijing every six weeks or something. Will have a closer look later in the week see what they're actually like. I've bought quite a few items like this in the last couple of years, shoes, coats, jackets, shirts. Quality is always good, not poor quality counterfeits.

    I avoid anything that I think is blatantly counterfeit, misspelled words, horrible stiching, poor quality, plastic instead of leather, etc. Because sometimes these things can be so bad, they only last a few weeks or months. Popular with the students though, because they seem to like the logos....bless their little brand whoring LV cotton socks.

    I'm sure there's supposed to be two Gs in "Giorgio"...
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    ...doesn't seem to matter anyway, most people here can't read English or Italian.
     
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  14. flyfronted

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    I was one of those kids who never had a pair of Levi sta prest .. we used to be 11 /12 yr old kids who drew pics of Skinheads at school and who knew every colour going but could only watch the older boys bowl up and down like pea cocks ... off the top of my head - off white / petrol blue / navy / olive green ( think they were known as 'bottle green ' ) pea green , charcoal , a grey that seemed to be in a thin wool ? and that older kids wore to school as part of uniform .. my old dear won a £100 at bingo in 70 and gave me a fiver i got my first Jaytex and levis with that .. wore em all summer up until xmas .
     
  15. kicksinstyle

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    Just want to point out that Levi's IS a global corporation with stores, factories, and offices everywhere, but at the end of the day it is still owned by descendants of Levi Strauss, not shareholders, conglomerates, banks etc.
    Also, if you are prepared to pay a premium for quality, there are quite a lot of made in the USA Levi's available, especially in the Levis Vintage Clothing range.
     
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    I had a similar experience - they looked legit in the pictures but when I got em home they were obvious knock-offs. Should have known that the price was too good to be true. I ended up selling them to a 2nd hand/'vintage' clothes shop for about what I'd paid for em, so no huge loss but a lesson learned.
     
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    The problem is a lot of brands are charging premium prices yet their quality is going down year after year, if you move production to the 3rd world you shouldn't be charging premium prices its as simple as that, I would even dare to say I am sometimes starting to doubt these made in U.S.A. or England tags on anything, there is no proof it wasn't another ploy to squeeze even more out of an item when it was really made in china or elsewhere in a sweat shop.
     
  18. MikeDT

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    Hey thanks for the heads-up kicksinstyle. That's very good news to me, Levi is making gear in the US. :) I presume they're using US labour and not migrant Mexicans?

    I heard earlier this year that a famous company in British clothing is basically no more, Aquascutum. The Corby factory closed and the name was bought by a Chinese fashion house, YGM.

    BTW I see a lot of MG and Rover cars here in China these days, usually sold by "Morris Garage" dealerships. They're actually good as well, far better than anything British Leyland made.

    We used to laugh at Japanese cars, we don't now.
    We used to laugh at Korean cars, we don't now.
    We laugh at Chinese cars.......
     
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  19. MikeDT

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    Many people quite happily pay the premium prices though, probably for the perceived cachet and prestige of having a certain logo on one's polo, jeans, etc. Whether it be laurel leaves, crocodile, polo pony, etc.


    There's "Made in Italy" ...in a Chinese sweat shop.
    http://www.newser.com/story/19540/made-in-italy-in-a-chinese-sweatshop.html
     
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  20. MikeDT

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    Should have seen what a Mongolian friend of mine bought from Taobao, Levi 501s for 60RMB (6 quid). They looked fine in the picture, which was probably just copied from Levi's website. But what arrived looked nothing like what I knew as Levi 501s, except for the cardboard label. My friend actually though they where OK, having never seen the real thing. They lasted two months before they fell apart.
     
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