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  1. bunty

    bunty Senior member

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    Jason King :D And The Persuaders!

    I can still see the old man now, sitting in front of the telly, moaning away....

    'He's a nancy boy' (said about Wilfrid Brambell every bleedin' time 'Steptoe' was on)

    'Is that a boy or girl?' (anyone with long hair)

    'He's a Jew' (Max Bygraves)

    'He's dead' (most of Dad's Army)



    Looking for old photos in the loft for this forum and finding ones of my mum and dad...stops me in my tracks. In the club with you Brownie and Ed, chin up lads.
     


  2. Kingstonian

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    He was wrong about Max Bygraves.

     
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    i remember my docs were the welded soles and all of a sudden the stitched soles the cherry reds were about as well ,
    they seemed a different shape a squarer toe ,
     


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    The Skinhead suit was smart, and would not have looked out of place in a office or any function, Regarding multiple pockets...i just don't know where 80s Skinheads got the idea, I never saw it myself, You would get all the smart Skinheads in the Tottenham Royal, People was so obsessed with cloths that you would have noticed multiple pockets or velvet collars, all i can say maybe people read what Jim Ferguson wrote and take it as gospel, Or maybe it happened outside London. I just don't know, Maybe buttons has more on the subject.

    I think by the time skinheads were getting multiple pockets on their suits, the fashion as such had pretty much faded in London; not something you would have seen in '68, '69 anyway (although I would like to proved wrong).
    Multiple pocketed suits were always the thing to have when I was a teenager - a mark of a bespoke suit to some (as its not something you could buy off the shelf). But that was the 80s (as I'm just a kid!), so its of less relevance here.
    Me and me brother found a suit jacket in a charity shop about '86 - original early 70s Jackson the Tailors one, in black with a massive centre vent, cuff buttons up to the elbow and 3&2 ticket pockets. Sure he's still got it. (this was when you could get a 'tailored suit' from Jacksons, which wasn't bespoke but it was made to measure and you got to choose a few details, within reason, from a list of options). Before that we'd only ever seen the drawing in Jim Furgesson's skinhead fashion thing. Talked to loads of lads (from all over the North) who were original skinheads who spoke about their suits and it was true one-up-man-ship. Obviously there's only so far you can go before the suit looses any smartness it was intended to have, but ticket pockets up to your nipples wasn't that rare. I had a blue and brown two tone suit about '86 with 5&4 ticket pockets, 4 button, plenty on the cuffs. Madness but it was that American Muscle car mentality of biggest is best (as seen in many things of the early 70's). If its cut right it can still look smart. I've had a few comments at job interviews though!
    Got a mate from Doncaster who had his wedding suit made about '74 and that's got plenty of ticket pockets, real high up. The trousers are oxford bags but when I asked him why he had the jacket done like that (which was a bit out of place amongst the more common 2 button, giant lappelled offerings of '74), he just said "well, that's how skinheads always had their jackets done, but I did wider trousers to keep it up to date". I've got that suit now and its a beauty. Worn it a few times when I had longer hair, with penny collars, Solatios weavers and the likes. MoM may be able to shed some more light on the subject, after his vents comments the other day. So I'm afraid Roy, like Wranglers with stitched in turn-ups, this was all going on but well behind the backs (and a little out of phase) of those in the capital.

    As for the nowadays skinhead scene, as skinheads have been getting suits made for decades with multiple flaps, its become the skinhead standard for most (well out of proportion to how many would have had them back in the day). And there are some horrors to be seen. Its like as a couple of ye's mentioned the other day - its all well and good getting bespoke suits made, but if you don't know what to ask for (and especially if the tailor's under 50), there's a fair chance it'll turn out terrible.

    Hope that helps.
    Buttons
     


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    As always Buttons you come up with another a brilliant post, Thanks mate, :)
     


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    Ops
     
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    Speaking for myself,I only saw three Pockets on a Jacket,during the 60s.In the early 70s Ticket Pockets were discarded as nobody really had their Suits Tailored for them anymore-Suits were bought off the Peg.This meant a decline in Business for the Tailors(on the High Roads and Backstreets).Until the late 70s,when you had the 2nd wave of Mods come along.
     


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    I didn't own a suit until I was 23. Got one MTM from Hodges I think, for my sister's wedding in 1986. Then in stayed in the wardrobe for the next 20 years. Had plenty of jackets and blazers though.
     
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    In addition to the ticket pocket debate, if ye look in the Small Faces film about late 60's gangs in Glasgow, the 'top boy' has a suit on with 2&1 ticket pockets, huge flaps and a massive centre vent. Also note the flap on the breast pocket as well (which I've seen on various 60s mod suits but never on a skinhead one - only ever heard of from Glasgow).
    Glasgow skinhead style.
    I know the film was made in the 90s so filled with the usual inacuracies, but the suit based based on a factual style (although probably changed a bit in interpretation).
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    Mate of mine had one made when he lived in Glasgow, in POW.
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    More than one ticket pocket on the right-hand side (no more than 2/3 width of the normal pocket) looks bloody ridiculous if you want my opinion. Ticket pockets on the left-hand side are an abomination.
     
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    They may look like 'security guard' or 'hospital porter' footwear to some . But def not the S word.
     


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    Looks bloody awful
     


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    I like a ticket pocket and a couple of neat zip pockets.

    Don't see it very often, probably isn't very 'skinhead' either, but I think it looks neat.

    Similar to this.


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    not seen that one.
     


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