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  1. youngScholar

    youngScholar Senior member

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    The Guardian just posted an article about Doc Marten's 50s anniversary: http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandsty...-martens-at-50

    "By the 70s Dr Martens had been taken up by a cluster of subcultures all intent on brandishing their individuality but all of whom made DMs part of their uniform. Mods and glam rockers, psychobillies and goths all adopted the boots, but it was members of the emerging skinhead movement who would be the most feared wearers. Gavin Watson was a teenage skinhead growing up in High Wycombe. He was also an avid photographer, and his images from the period, many showing shaven-headed young men in gleaming Dr Martens, are compelling and disturbing. 'I was 12 when I bought my first eight-hole DMs,' Watson told me. 'And the rule was that you had to christen them by kicking someone with them. It didn't matter who, and if you got some blood on them that was even better.' "

    Psychobillies? [​IMG]

    Oh, and I've been wearing my new For Life 1460s for two weeks now. They are a major step up from the horrible MiC boots, especially the leather quality.

    Also, am I the only one using shoe trees with his Docs?
     


  2. Man-of-Mystery

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  3. Get Smart

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    I use shoe trees in my DMs, find it helps immensely and prevents the dreaded shoe curl

    I've seen a lot of psychobillies wearing DMs, maybe not the ones in 2010, but back when it was stuff like King Kurt, DAG, Guana Batz etc a lot of those guys were ex-skins or friends of skinheads, and it wasnt uncommon to find psychos wearing DMs along with MA-1 flight jackets just like skins
     


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    GS - Why don't you post fits anymore? Are you just waiting out the current cycle of asshats? Miss your smart gear, man.
     


  5. Get Smart

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    maybe i will in 2011, just havent felt like it this year and dont read the forum too often other than this thread. I think I only regularly read like 2 or 3 threads, and the occasional glance at another if the subject title has some interest but threads tend to easily degrade into the same old shit talking by morons.
     


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    Just as I figured. Tell me this is cyclical. RyeGB appears to be over it as well. Enjoyed both your fits... though you came from opposite ends of the spectrum. I basically just follow WAYWN and recent purchases, unless something really jumps out at me.
     


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    yeah it's pointless to post right now if you're not wearing some 80's style hightops because you won't get any sort of feedback.
     


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    Well, maybe in bed when we wore pyjamas! [​IMG]




    Nothing like that, as far as I remember. When you were visible you dressed in the style and that was that. I guess that was a carry-through from mod if nothing else was.


    Another thing I'm curious about(hehe sorry but I'm full of questions [​IMG] ). Back then you said that Skinhead was an abusive term aimed at mods/totters so just wondering when exactly did you Originals decide to embrace the name and call yourselves Skinheads? Did it have to do with Reggae Artists promoting the term in their music or what?
    I found this video on youtube where an ex-skingirl talks about how Original skinhead girls weren't butch and back then skinheads considered themselves Mods,etc(can't really make out much/other things she says).
     


  9. Man-of-Mystery

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    Another thing I'm curious about(hehe sorry but I'm full of questions [​IMG] ). Back then you said that Skinhead was an abusive term aimed at mods/totters so just wondering when exactly did you Originals decide to embrace the name and call yourselves Skinheads?
    There wasn't an exact point in time, it was more a kind of a slide. Most of us didn't worry about the originally abusive aspect of the name. The press got hold of it, new kids started coming in to the fashion, and it kind of stuck - after all, it was only a name. I recall that there was a brief period (maybe no more than a month) when folk called us "Smithies" or "Smiffies", after the nickname of three or four kids who had had their picture in the colour section of a Sunday newspaper, but that name didn't stick. [Let me give you a couple examples of the same kind of process from history. Firstly in the 1650s in England a radical preacher tells a magistrate that he should "tremble in the fear of the Lord"; the magistrate calls the preacher and his followers "Quakers", the name sticks, somewhere down the line they start using it themselves, and a whole religious movement grows called "Quakers". Secondly in the late 20th and early 21st century - like right now - someone in the gay community decides to adopt the abusive term "queer", and suddenly that word is in use as a self-description right across that community. In neither case is there a precise "when", like you're looking for - it's more of a process, and you wake up one morning and realise it happened some time back. Get the picture?] [As an afterthought, it's a little like that word "Originals" you're using now. [​IMG] ]
     


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    yeah it's pointless to post right now if you're not wearing some 80's style hightops because you won't get any sort of feedback.


    haha, pretty much why i posted one recently and then gave up.
     


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    There wasn't an exact point in time, it was more a kind of a slide. Most of us didn't worry about the originally abusive aspect of the name. The press got hold of it, new kids started coming in to the fashion, and it kind of stuck - after all, it was only a name. I recall that there was a brief period (maybe no more than a month) when folk called us "Smithies" or "Smiffies", after the nickname of three or four kids who had had their picture in the colour section of a Sunday newspaper, but that name didn't stick.

    [Let me give you a couple examples of the same kind of process from history. Firstly in the 1650s in England a radical preacher tells a magistrate that he should "tremble in the fear of the Lord"; the magistrate calls the preacher and his followers "Quakers", the name sticks, somewhere down the line they start using it themselves, and a whole religious movement grows called "Quakers". Secondly in the late 20th and early 21st century - like right now - someone in the gay community decides to adopt the abusive term "queer", and suddenly that word is in use as a self-description right across that community. In neither case is there a precise "when", like you're looking for - it's more of a process, and you wake up one morning and realise it happened some time back. Get the picture?]

    [As an afterthought, it's a little like that word "Originals" you're using now. [​IMG] ]


    Hehe I understand [​IMG]

    I'm forced to use the term Original(s) because nowadays all you need to do to be a Skinhead is shave your head and wear the boots. The whole fashion thing is not of any interest to the majority of so called "Skinheads". I find it odd because that WAS the main part(or 1) of being a skinhead,wasn't it? I'm assuming if the 2nd wave/skinhead revival wore what they wear back in your Skinhead days they would be laughed at.
     


  12. Man-of-Mystery

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    I'm assuming if the 2nd wave/skinhead revival wore what they wear back in your Skinhead days they would be laughed at.

    Let's put it this way. It would have been a little difficult to have taken them seriously.
     


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    Let's put it this way. It would have been a little difficult to have taken them seriously.

    I would imagine so. I think in this day & age no1 gets the skinhead thing right at 1st. every1 is misled with the whole Oi! thing but some are smart enough to open their eyes and get with the roots. That aside, I have these 2 questions running through my head. What kind of tattoos were popular among skinheads during your time? Also, how popular was futbol among skinheads? That Man Alive skinhead video states that not all skinheads were futbol supporters but I always thought it was really big just because the English/Europeans love that sport.
     


  14. Man-of-Mystery

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    What kind of tattoos were popular among skinheads during your time?

    That's easy. None at all. I never saw a single bloke with a tattoo in '69.

    Also, how popular was futbol among skinheads?

    Basically what happened is that football was popular with working class kids and the skinhead movement came to be mainly a working class phenomenon. So a whole lot of kids on the terraces adopted the look.

    I recall that when I lived in London (South East London, to be precise) our hangout was The Savoy Rooms (aka The Witchdoctor) in Catford. The DJ there, Steve Maxted (by the way - his reggae record collection is currently for sale!) used to play mainly Motown and Reggae, but somewhere in the evening he would put on the old surfing hit "Let's Go" by the Routers; at the point where the band shouts "Let's go!" all the guys in the audience would shout "Millwall!" (Millwall FC being one of the local clubs).

    Actually this is bringing all kinds of memories back to me. Another track that Steve would play was Shirley Ellis's hit from 1965 "The Clapping Song". There's a couple of places in the chorus where Shirley sings the words "... a rubber dolly...". At those points Steve would kill the volume and the whole room would sing "...a rubber johnny..." British readers of this forum will recognise that term - it's slang for a condom!

    [Also in the chorus there's a line "... I kissed a soldier". Take it from me we did not sing "kissed" [​IMG] ]
     


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    I think in this day & age no1 gets the skinhead thing right at 1st. every1 is misled with the whole Oi! thing but some are smart enough to open their eyes and get with the roots.


    but if skinhead is to carry on, you need the popularity/accessibility of Oi music to bring new kids into the scene, otherwise it becomes just a bunch of old timers doing what can look like a re-enactment society. That said, once you get into Oi, it's hoped that the kids will also check out the roots and get into soul/reggae/ska.
     


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