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Yeah the music the goths listened to, which a lot of it I liked too, was Bauhaus, the Banshees, The Cure, Sisters of Mercy, Danse Society, Spear of Destiny, Killing Joke, March Violets, Play Dead, Gene Loves Jezebel, Death Cult / Cult, the Mission, etc. I think a lot of the ‘second wave’ goths were into American stuff like Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails Etc
Yeah all the original music is good, i like that stuff too, the stuff the later ones liked err not so much.
 

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Yeah the music the goths listened to, which a lot of it I liked too, was Bauhaus, the Banshees, The Cure, Sisters of Mercy, Danse Society, Spear of Destiny, Killing Joke, March Violets, Play Dead, Gene Loves Jezebel, Death Cult / Cult, the Mission, etc. I think a lot of the ‘second wave’ goths were into American stuff like Marilyn Manson, Nine Inch Nails Etc
I think I'm mostly familiar with the kind of tracks from these bands which found their way onto compilation albums. It probably says something that the only album I bought by any of them was Siouxsie's cover versions album, Through the Looking Glass.
It is odd that I didn't hear more at the time as my girlfriend then was Goth-ish. She once took me to a Goth night at a Birmingham pub - I felt more out of place there than anywhere I have been, I think. I can't actually remember her putting any music on when we were together except things like the Stranglers, though she did like the other stuff. Perhaps she didn't want to scare me.
I think if Mod is a way of life then Goth is even more so (and not just that they seem to think life is over-rated). It reflects a deep way of look at the world - as one article puts it, seeing beauty in bones or a gravestone. Obviously for most it is a passing thing and/or affectation. For others, it might reflect a dangerous state of mind. But as I'm sure all are aware, it's longevity in this form is a continuation of those Gothic novels, poetry, art etc of the last 200+ years. The outlook on life binds the Goths more than necessarily the music, so we get the range from say the fey folkiness of All About Eve (which I also have) through to something like Cradle of Filth (which I only know about from references in the IT Crowd, but I don't imagine tracks like Coffin Fodder are very jolly).

It'd be interesting if some of them dressed like actual Goths as was the fashion in c.5th century Rome. Hunnic fashions were also copied.
 

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What I love about the Mod style is that its (mostly) always been acceptable in the mainstream. Back in the sixties the original Mods went to work and at a glance dressed within the canon of what anyone else was wearing, only with meticulous attention to detail. 60 years later the same can still be said. Outside of a few specific occupations I would suggest h th at being a goth may be a ‘career limiting’ choice.
I read about some goth weekend (is it at Whitby) where people get dressed up in their black ... errr ... finery? but it has to be over the threshold into cosplay if Joe is back to work on Monday doing second shift at the post office!
 

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What I love about the Mod style is that its (mostly) always been acceptable in the mainstream. Back in the sixties the original Mods went to work and at a glance dressed within the canon of what anyone else was wearing, only with meticulous attention to detail. 60 years later the same can still be said. Outside of a few specific occupations I would suggest h th at being a goth may be a ‘career limiting’ choice.
I read about some goth weekend (is it at Whitby) where people get dressed up in their black ... errr ... finery? but it has to be over the threshold into cosplay if Joe is back to work on Monday doing second shift at the post office!
I was thinking exactly the same. I knew a deputy head who would go to the Whitby weekends - once back at school she was as normal as anything. Only a preference for purple betrayed her inclinations. If you haven't seen the Noel Fielding episode of the IT Crowd showing the career limitation, then I would recommend it.

The whole Steampunk thing is even more into Cosplay.
 

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Not for me, but quite interesting :
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As for TOTP, the years roughly 77 to 82 will usually have something decent on, but usually there is a lot of stuff I would rather skip. There is very little disco that I like...
Those dates are spot on, from 1977 when punk was let into the charts until things got really crap from 1983 onwards, but I did like stuff like Sister Sledge and Chic as well as punk and 2 Tone (and of course Sweet from the early 70s).

Modern goths look quite different to me than the 80s ones
Still prefer how the original punky type ones looked, same with most subcultures, the more you get away from the source the less inspired it looks imo
The girls looked like Siouxsie or Patricia Morrison (Gun Club, Sisters of Mercy) or Cleo from The March Violets or Joan Jett or Daryl Hannah as Priss in ‘Bladerunner’. Spike heel boots, fishnets, leather jackets and mini skirts.
The first Goth girls were just very plain very black punks, plus lace fingerless gloves and maybe a lace veil. And let's not forget the lovely Gaye Advert.

Same with a lot of older ex skinheads iv'e talked to from there 50's to 60's, none of them ever come across as being nasty people, it's ''normal'' people i always had trouble with and still kind of do.
They were the worst, nightclub-going morons and always when you were on your own.
 
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I tend to fly the black/red anarcho-syndicalist flag. It has the added advantage of no bugger ever knowing what it is!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

I have a colleague at uni whose self-description is "angry wee goth." Autistic and a sweetheart in fact, with a really individual goth style. I have another colleague who sometimes goes into all-out Morticia Addams mode; when we hang out I'm simply Uncle Fester, and that's that.
 

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I tend to fly the black/red anarcho-syndicalist flag. It has the added advantage of no bugger ever knowing what it is!:laugh::laugh::laugh:
More people need to read inter-war history 🙂
Viva La FAI!
(Needs an upside exclamation mark too!

I probably have enough clothing with Union flags etc to put me in danger of comedy mod-dom, but in my defence I am a bit of a vexillophile and have various other flags including DDR and the Kingdom of the Two Sicilies. The Union flag does work better for style though :)
 

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Union flag skinny fit t shirts worn by teenage herbert's looked cool in the early 80s..probably worn by people too young to have any serious political ideologies.. Just naive allegiances. Or a flag draped over Weller's amp in the early Jam days.. echoes of the Who. These days the sight of a union flag on eg a scooter or helmet strikes me as naff. Isn't tribalism just a reflection of people's insecurities (and that could extend to patriotism & flag waving.. Blind allegiance)
 

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I learnt a bit of a lesson regarding symbolism and politics in Poland in the mid90s. I spent a summer there and on a day trip to Krakow a bunch of us bought Polish Eagle* tee shirts.
We wore them in the dining hall the next day and you could have cut the air with a knife. Seems only far-right Poles would ever wear them (apart from tourists).

*plus the Scrabble players delight which means Polish Republic
 

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The Union Flag is indeed a striking, pretty much perfect piece of graphic design.
That is a nice suit, would of considered it if it was my size and a little cheaper, the cut on my tailer early 70s terylene suit isnt that different.
A 42" chest and a 32" waist though ? Was the previous owner Mr I. Sosceles ?
 

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