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Wow , not so good lvyskin.
The last time l had an incident on the bike , a guy came out of his house and said 'do you want me to get an ambulance' , to which l said yes and then added , 'can you call the cops too ' because it was the other guys fault.
I was carted off in the ambulance before the cops came .
Couple of days later l got out of hospital , went around to the cop shop and it turned out they had done nothing because ' we didn't know you were injured' . It turned out they were pals with the guy who hit me.
Good luck in court , l do hope it goes well for you .
ACAB
It's this kind of thing that has lead me to identify as an anarchist/voluntaryist. There is no such thing as a free society when there is government, government and police pretty much imply corruption. But I will do my best to be humble and take whatever they dish out in court.

Thanks brother
 

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I had a lee cooper cord jacket late sixties ,only cos my mates dad sold them of the back of a lorry , they were actually quite good apart from the colour which was beige but beggars can’t be choosers.
 

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ACAB
It's this kind of thing that has lead me to identify as an anarchist/voluntaryist. There is no such thing as a free society when there is government, government and police pretty much imply corruption. But I will do my best to be humble and take whatever they dish out in court.

Thanks brother
I don't think it is as black and white as that, governments can be a force for good if they are benevolent, we also need things such as taxes so people can have a safety net and healthcare, in western societies without some form of government society would be ruled entirely by the rich and corporations. They already have considerable power as it is.

I don't agree with the term ACAB either, it is very juvenile. If i wasn't picked up and taken home by a copper once while drunk and sleeping on the street i may very well of ended up hospitalized. I know full well that some are corrupt(Orgreave springs to mind and other past events) but many also genuinely care about the communities they work in.
 

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I don't think it is as black and white as that, governments can be a force for good if they are benevolent, we also need things such as taxes so people can have a safety net and healthcare, in western societies without some form of government society would be ruled entirely by the rich and corporations. They already have considerable power as it is.

I don't agree with the term ACAB either, it is very juvenile. If i wasn't picked up and taken home by a copper once while drunk and sleeping on the street i may very well of ended up hospitalized. I know full well that some are corrupt(Orgreave springs to mind and other past events) but many also genuinely care about the communities they work in.
It doesn't make rational sense that any group of people can have more rights over others than any one individual. If I don't have the right to point a gun at you and steal your money even if it's for what I call a good cause then there's no amount of people that do. You're assuming that without a government supplied public security that there wouldn't be any private security companies. You're also acting as if corporations are separate from the government, they're not. In a sense the corporations are the government. This is a similar fallacious argument to the "I don't have to go vegan because my actions alone won't change anything." Though we all know that it takes more than just one grain of sand to make a desert and more than one drop of water to make the ocean. It's about creating a collective consciousness of voluntaryism rather than coercion. Yes healthcare is a great thing and if we change the paradigm of the collective consciousness we could still have it voluntarily through crowdfunding. But as long as people stay stuck in the mindset of the old paradigm we will never have that better world. You have to believe it is possible. While there are days where I feel overwhelmed and pessimistic to the point of nihilism, I still make an effort to pray and keep the faith in my heart that we can be above coercion to our fellow earthlings. And that is exactly what governments are there to do, coerce otherwise peaceful people. Literally a monopoly of power in a given area. Actually if you break down the word government into its Latin roots, gouverneur mente(spelling?🤔) It literally means mind control.
Just to be clear and transparent I do have friends that are cops, and just because they're my friends doesn't mean they're not bastards. 😆 Just because someone who has a wrong livelihood helped you out one night when you were drunk doesn't mean that lots of people having wrong livelihood is a good thing. Any Good Samaritan would have helped you. Just so happens that one evening the Good Samaritan was a police officer. Who knows he could have gone home and beat his wife or something, or robbed some poor blokes Vespa from him.
 

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I had a lee cooper cord jacket late sixties ,only cos my mates dad sold them of the back of a lorry , they were actually quite good apart from the colour which was beige but beggars can’t be choosers.
My best pal at the time , lent me an ivory colour Lee Cooper to go go-karting back in the early 7ts . He wore one too (he seemed to have 2 or maybe l had his sisters;)) and after the go-karting , we even felt emboldened enough by the jackets to walk into a chip shop in a part of town we wouldn't normally have went into. .:cool2:
 

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It doesn't make rational sense that any group of people can have more rights over others than any one individual. If I don't have the right to point a gun at you and steal your money even if it's for what I call a good cause then there's no amount of people that do. You're assuming that without a government supplied public security that there wouldn't be any private security companies. You're also acting as if corporations are separate from the government, they're not. In a sense the corporations are the government. This is a similar fallacious argument to the "I don't have to go vegan because my actions alone won't change anything." Though we all know that it takes more than just one grain of sand to make a desert and more than one drop of water to make the ocean. It's about creating a collective consciousness of voluntaryism rather than coercion. Yes healthcare is a great thing and if we change the paradigm of the collective consciousness we could still have it voluntarily through crowdfunding. But as long as people stay stuck in the mindset of the old paradigm we will never have that better world. You have to believe it is possible. While there are days where I feel overwhelmed and pessimistic to the point of nihilism, I still make an effort to pray and keep the faith in my heart that we can be above coercion to our fellow earthlings. And that is exactly what governments are there to do, coerce otherwise peaceful people. Literally a monopoly of power in a given area. Actually if you break down the word government into its Latin roots, gouverneur mente(spelling?🤔) It literally means mind control.
Just to be clear and transparent I do have friends that are cops, and just because they're my friends doesn't mean they're not bastards. 😆 Just because someone who has a wrong livelihood helped you out one night when you were drunk doesn't mean that lots of people having wrong livelihood is a good thing. Any Good Samaritan would have helped you. Just so happens that one evening the Good Samaritan was a police officer. Who knows he could have gone home and beat his wife or something, or robbed some poor blokes Vespa from him.
Ok all coppers are bastards, and all skinheads are racist right? you are judging an entire section of society based on emotional bias, it is a very dangerous and illogical mindset to have.

Coming from a former coal mining area, i have a natural distrust of the police, but i don't hate them and i don't believe they all have the same mindset. Not all trade unionists are good benevolent people either. The police were also lenient on me one time when i was arrested for drunk and disorderly. I could well of been convicted for a public order offence but they decided to be lenient if i stopped drinking.

''wrong livelihood'' comes off as a bit arrogant and Orwellian. What is a right livelihood?.

Who would ensure these private security firms would act in a proper manner without any form of government?, because almost certainly would be as corrupt as a public police force.

No one is going to voluntarily, on a massive scale, pay taxes to fund things such as healthcare and benefits, because sadly a lot of people are selfish and would rather have a bit of extra money in there pocket rather than help someone else. Taxation may well be evil, but it is a necessary one to ensure a civilized society properly operates.

Big business does have a massive influence over government, but they are not one the same (yet) laws could be put into place to curb their power.
 

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A right is an action that does not cause harm to another sentient being, a wrong is an action that causes harm to another sentient being. Therefore having a livelihood that is based on the requirement that one enforces laws that turn otherwise peaceful people into criminals and then extorts them with the threat of being thrown in a cage, with the threat of being killed if one does not comply, is a wrong livelihood. My friend who is a cop told me that when they have the body cam on they have no choice but to enforce laws that even they themselves consider unjust, or they risk losing their job. Would you do something you consider unjust for money? If you would what does that make you? You're the one who's advocating for a socialist ie communist system, so who's really orwellian here? Hitler might have called what he was advocating a necessary evil and so would have Stalin or Mao. There's no such thing as a necessary evil. There's just evil and good. You can choose to support evil or you can choose to support good.

You can stomp your foot all you want about other people's selfishness as an excuse to partake in an inherently evil system or you can decide to advocate for something better.
 

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Working down the pit would be a ''wrong'' livelihood to someone who is an environmentalist. sadly most working people have no choice where they work.

Just want to clarify, i have never and would never consider crossing a picket line, being a socialist and a decent person, so i hope that wasn't aimed at me. But i also don't believe a sub group of people (the police in this discussion) all think and act the same.
 

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Working down the pit would be a ''wrong'' livelihood to someone who is an environmentalist. sadly most working people have no choice where they work.

Just want to clarify, i have never and would never consider crossing a picket line, being a socialist and a decent person, so i hope that wasn't aimed at me. But i also don't believe a sub group of people (the police in this discussion) all think and act the same.
Skinhead is a music and clothing subculture as we should all understand here and has nothing to do with making money off of enforcing unjust laws. So it's really a false equivalent
 

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Y'all can bow down to some old lady in a big ugly hat if you want to. Just don't try and make her my master too.
 

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Skinhead is a music and clothing subculture...
Clothing only, the music varied too much and was almost always someone elses. Musically I was more of a Punk or a Soul Boy, that's the southern English version not the northern one.
 
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