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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Bob the Badger

    Bob the Badger Senior member

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    I shopped at the Squire shop in 69/70 and whenever I was there it was full of young sussed herberts from all over London. Not an exec. In sight. Simons didn't much like us but we put money in his tills. I knew about the Ivy League and made in USA carried a lot of status in my crowd. When we grew up and still used his shops he became a bit more friendly.
     
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  2. yankmod

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    Steeling my Material Now? I went thru this Rant a while back. Without Kraftwerk there is NO Modern Dance Music(American OR European) European Eee Lectronic Dance Music became the Blueprint for Today's overwhelmingly Synthesized Pop/Dance music.Without Kraftwerk there is NO modern music.The DJ's in Hip Hop would still be spinning Bad Disco for the Backing Trax. That was an Appalling period,before the Hip Hop Folks heard Kraftwerk.I was there I saw the Whole Evolution of Modern Dance music.
     
  3. flyfronted

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    Said it before but everyone i knew thought Ben Sherman was a American make and so more valid than Brutus . American jeans , Sta prest etc .
    Good news Baracuta has done a cheaper new Harrington for 2016 https://www.oipolloi.com/collections/baracuta/products/baracuta-garment-dyed-g9-jungle-ss16#product
     
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  4. covskin

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    60s, young executives, 'Squire'. I'm seeing a young aristo in his mews house 'pad', air hostess du jour descending the spiral staircase in nothing but a John Simons shirt as he pours himself another whisky from a chunky glass decanter. Close?
     
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  5. flyfronted

    flyfronted Senior member

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    TOPPERS . Post Suedehead classics .
     
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  6. Bob the Badger

    Bob the Badger Senior member

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    Good looking Baracuta. Not made in England at that price though. John Simons is now selling his version for £89. I wore my 1980's Baracuta today. A great jacket for spring or autumn in the UK.
     
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  7. Natty Pinstripe

    Natty Pinstripe Senior member

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    Where did you get this photo from flyfronted ? Are these Topper yours, or belong to someone you know ?
     
  8. yankmod

    yankmod Senior member

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    Would This be the Shoe of choice for the Smooths?
     
  9. Natty Pinstripe

    Natty Pinstripe Senior member

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    I'm not sure what the term "The Smooths" really means. Some of the people on here probably have very specific classifications, but I don't recall it being a term applied to a specific group of people more in conversation "He's a bit of a Smoothie" or "they're really smooth" . Post Suedehead strikes me as a good description I don't remember any broad classifications of groups of people after Suedehead, not really until Punk. There was word of a Mod revival before Punk took off, but I saw little evidence of it from my vantage point in East London.
    As for The Toppers they were popular with some, but not on the same massive scale as DM's or even Solatios. They were not cheap and there were snide versions about, especially in the street markets.
    Some of my mates bought them, some didn't, I had 2 or 3 pairs, because if the bubble toe got stamped on it held a crease and never looked as good again. They also came in black and suede side inserts was light grey - I was a strictly ox-blood "man".
     
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  10. yankmod

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    I appreciate the answer and understand what you are saying.I do find it interesting that some tried to capitalize on the supposed "Smooths"(or did they try to create a subculture where one did not exist,yet) The Great Dave Barker/Collins B-side posted here (sorry can't remember who posted but,Thanks) and the Richard Allen/James Moffat Books,"Smothies" "Sorts" are the only evidence of this so called "subculture".And a few photos,which we have to simply trust are well spotted.Here is Dave with "Smooths and Sorts"
     
  11. Natty Pinstripe

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    I think now it is generally accepted that the Richard Allen "Skinhead" books and their offspring were exploitation publishing of the first order, written by a hack os a writer operating at that level. I read somewhere that Allen only ever had one set up encounter with skinheads, but not sure if that's true.

    You most keep in mind that for a lot of the younger kids with no real money (pocket money or Saturday job at best) it was not easy to get the clothes they wanted. There were lots of kids still wearing their big brother' s Crombies (or ones they hadn't grown out of) with long hair, like wise kids in flared jeans with turn ups and DM's. As the look moved on the younger and poorer kids struggled to keep up.

    As for the term Sorts, it was a boys or blokes term for girls and you certainly wouldn't call a girl you were trying to impress a sort to her face or to her friends. I have no memory of any girls calling them selves Sorts at all.
     
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  12. Newton heath

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    In my neck of the woods smoothie was a post skinhead who grew his hair had a feathered hair cut ,crombie and carried a sharpened tip umbrella (purely to pick up litter you understand.
     
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  13. flyfronted

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    A pal of mine posted the pic on FB ill ask him but im pretty sure they are not his ( although he certainly had a pair ) . Most def a shoe worn with Crombies , Longer barnets and round collar shirts .. very expensive ( from Ravells i think ? ) for the time .
     
  14. flyfronted

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    ' Bad Disco ' .. you white Americans are a funny bunch .
     
  15. Bela Kun

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    Totally agree with Covskin here. Kraftwerk were a major influence on Detroit techno and early hip hop, which key players in those genres will happily admit. Kraftwerk, in turn - as well as being well clever students who were probably taught by Stockhausen - acknowledged the influence of James Brown and The Stooges and applied what they heard to a German context. You can trace the musical roots of James Brown and the Stooges back to the blues and black American work songs. These, in turn, were at least partly influenced by Irish drinking songs. And so forth.

    If Kraftwerk hadn't created what they did, another bunch of German students would have probably come up with something similar given the technology that had become available. Unless you believe in the existence of god, who gives selected 'geniuses' totally original ideas, people observe, absorb, and work with what they've got in front of them.

    What's this got to do with skinheads? Probably very little, so I'll shut up.
     
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  16. Bela Kun

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    Guys, I need some quick advice. I'm considering getting a Lee Rider jean jacket described as dry/raw 13 oz denim. Never had a raw denim jacket before. Can I go by the flat measurements stated in the description, or shall I expect it to shrink just like Levi's STF 501s? How do I treat it upon receipt - wear it straight away or soak in cold water first?
     
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  17. skinny legs

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    I don't have the know how to upload it, but a very interesting photo has just been put on the Shed End Forum- Chelsea Vintage section. It shows Ron Harris leading out Chelsea at Upton Park, August 20th 1966. In the background is a hard mod/ proto skin, sporting short hair and braces. He's definately ahead of the game
     
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  18. Man-of-Mystery

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    Jesus wept!
     
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  19. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    A tradition I'm proud to perpetuate! :D
     
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  20. Natty Pinstripe

    Natty Pinstripe Senior member

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    The shop was called Toppers, I only knew the two shops on Carnaby Street, but there was another on the Kings Road. I started a thread on Toppers Shoes London and so one just posted an early business card, maybe someone could copy and post it here ? You're right both about the price and the pear drop collar shirts. I'm still looking for a pair of these shoes and evening they don't fit I want them.
     

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