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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. The Saint

    The Saint Senior member

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    Yes in recent years , the DM's not made in the UK tend to be of a poor quality . In need of breaking in and a bloody good polish too. .

    . .thanks for the update , Bob. .
     
  2. Man-of-Mystery

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    Still rolling my eyes at the words 'Spy Kids'.
     
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    My ''tower'' boots seem to be decent quality, there 8 holes are shite, though.

    Nothing to do with boots, but lee rider jackets seem to be better quality than levis jackets these days
     
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    You're right about overseas made DM's. I spent a few hours walking around in them today and I think by the time I break them in they will be worn out. My first reaction when I saw them was that I need to get to work on them with the polish. I wouldn't recommend buying them at the full price unless they are MIE.
    Yet another example of a British company abusing its heritage with cheap overseas manufacturing.
     
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    A question about a group of 'traditionalist' skins supposedly seen in London in 1977.

    In his much maligned book, Nick Knight claims that during the punk vs ted battles in Kings Road, there were skinhead supporters on both sides. Those on the punk side are described as "a new breed" that "wished to be seen as more anarchical and more shocking than the punks" - the Sham Army types.

    On the ted side, there were supposedly traditionalists who were into the old reggae/soul sounds and not involved in any organised politics, but pissed off at the punks for their monarchy bashing.

    I wonder who these traditionalists were and where they came from? Were they leftovers, i.e. a tiny few who had remained skins throughout the seventies? Or a new group that had begun its own skinhead revival separate from the punk-fueled one? What parts of town did they hail from?

    Or is this just an urban myth spread by the likes of Nick Knight?
     
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    Most of the 'Punks ' involved initially were just Soul boys and Football lads who dressed at Sex and ACME down the kings rd - never saw any Skins on either side .
     
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    Typical with overseas products. These Chukkas are not part of the MIE range. The MIE DMs are true to size. They can at the price they sale them.

    @Donkey Jacket . Yes i prefer too the basic Lee Riders Jacket to the basic Levi's trucker. Denim is thicker and the cut is good. (Not speaking of LVC or any special editions though.) But now with Lee (Europe) quality depends of the year too. Lee Japan made a great reedition, but hard to find.
     
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  8. The Saint

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  9. Gsvs5

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    http://daily.redbullmusicacademy.com/2016/01/kev-roberts-interview

    You'll probably enjoys reading this also.Dig a bit deeper and there are loads more interviews with Levine etc. on the same site.
    Much of what is written has been heard and repeated before,but there are insights and snippets that give another dimension to the whole story.
     
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  10. Man-of-Mystery

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    I went through those doors regularly once a week in 67/68.
     
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  11. TomMc666

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    This cover shows the look of a typical saturday afternoon, meet in the Roebuck then down to Sloane Square and then back to the Worlds end.....[​IMG]
    Theres a few there with what might be considered a skinhead haircut, in the context of long hair being the norm. I'm on there, the bloke sticking his tongue out covered most of my face but thats the jumper my mum knitted (!), to my right is the bloke that went around gigs organising everyone to go down there to take on the teds and 2 along from him is my mate John O'Connor, from Hoxton. To be honest, went there quite a lot over that summer and became a skinhead as well but Nick Knight is talking bollocks, there wasnt anyone looking like the skinheads of a few hears earlier at the start of these fights, some had crops,and some looked similar in terms of jungle greens and boots but didnt class themselves as skinheads, it was punk vs ted. And on the other side, in the encounters I had, never saw anyone looking like a skinhead. But that was all to change a short while later with Sham. I remember the first proper group of skinheads in 77 was when I walking down to Liverpool Street on a sunday morning and bumping into around 20 or so of the Becontree, all my age. Ended up having a drink with them, still,mates now with them
     
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  12. Bela Kun

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    Cheers Tom, that's some great info. What about the Ladbroke Grove Skins - were they of a more traditional stripe? Apparently, that mob existed as early as 1976, which seems a bit early for 'punk skins'.
     
  13. TomMc666

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    Hard to say, lots of stories of little groups or individuals being proper skinheads from early on. From my experience

    TM - Terry Madden or TM OriginalSkin, was from Swiss Cottage and when I first met him, in late 76 already a skinhead, lot of his gear was hand me downs and probably a bit of a necessity

    Binnsy - 2 of these , the West Ham one who later became a mate , and the Arsenal Binnsy, Mickey Joyce, who was a coiple of years above me in school, now the Riders of the Night. Always looked the part even when later with a bit longer hair. Still see him now and then a nice bloke

    The Becontree - Met these early on, most had been skinheads for a while and was still a left over from the first wave, fought the CAL. Became friends with most of , carried on through the mod revival - in which a lot of the revival skins went into - then the Rejects and still friends now.

    And theres more such as Archie and others who I met back then, from all over London and the suburbs

    As for the West London, the LGS did seem to be about for a long while and, like the majority of that initial second wave, wanted to get the look right. Knew a few of them and the most photographed was Dean, a Sham roadie, here on stage behind Pursey at Reading in 78, the youtube video shows him and a few of my west ham mates.

    [​IMG]

    This issue of traditionalists is the problem, as at that time there was only the view that we were skinheads, pure and simple.Yes we liked Sham, but we also liked the older reggae reggae and the look was a key part of that revival, getting the right gear meant everything and you'd people changing almost week by week as they might move from greens, boots and tshirts to ben shermans, staprest and loafers, and more. The more basic look coming back in, in my opinion, was due to a combination of an influx of younger, and more punk orientated groups, and possibly the politicalisation agenda , resulting in shorter/no hair and the very basic look adopted by some....also did they have the money or inclination to hunt around for the right gear, or know where to buy the better stuff ,or knew what the look actually entailed, especially as the media picked up on it?
     
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  14. Gsvs5

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    [​IMG]

    These Hugo Boss "Aspin" are a very close interpretation of the Topper/Derber crepe soled wedges that were popular in the early 70's,in case anyone is interested in that look.
     
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    The Soul Boy haircuts of 76 were either a wedge ( bowie style ) or a number 4 crop . 99% of the kids who became Punks were ex soul boys .Hence the look ..
     
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    Soul boys are such an underdocumented subculture. You hear and read about them, but if you weren't there you have no idea what they even looked like.

    So I watched this video... and found myself liking the long sleeve black polo shirt at 2:07. Is it Penguin?

    [​IMG]
     
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  18. The Saint

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    I would say that both the polo shirts in that sequence are by the same manufacturer and look like Penguin style but not able to distinguish the logo from image available . .
     
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    Penguin are a fairly recent thing in the UK I think (well done Louise!) so whenever I see 'darts player' type polo shirts I always think Gabicci. I especially think Gabicci when I see one of those patched cardigan things to the right. Mostly I think t*** of course! I think Soulboy is relatively underdocumented because the clothes were actually fairly mainstream, in an under the radar way perhaps but all in all fairly unremarkable.
     
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  20. The Saint

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    Yes, mainstream would pretty much sum up that look for me. Apart from a couple of them that look like mods , they are mostly unremarkable too. .






    . .and on the subject of unremarkable, the photie of Pursey above , reminded me what an unremarkable, irritating cu*t he was . .
     

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