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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Bela Kun

    Bela Kun Senior member

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    Sure, I'm aware they weren't real. She wanted to know if this style of overcoat (or a 'next best female equivalent') was worn by girls in the 1960s at all. I couldn't tell her as I only remember pics of 1980s girls wearing them.

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    MoM: I understand that in the 1980s, 'herbert' was used in the Sounds/Gary Bushell universe to describe someone who follows Oi! music, but is neither skinhead nor punk. He might wear a Harrington, shaggy hair, and is more of an ordinary looking geezer. A bit like a casual, only not as well dressed. Cockney Rejects and East End Badoes are two bands that, I guess, embody the 'herbert' archetype.

    Tom Mc666 might be able to tell us more about herberts, though, as I believe a certain band recorded a 'herbert version' of their hit song, Chaos.
     
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  3. The Saint

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    Sorry , I was referring to the first wave of Skin, Buddie. Defo' saw them being worn at that time . .
     
  4. Botolph

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    Just to clarify, the coat style you're talking about is the 'covert coat'. Crombie is a firm whose cloth is used to make their version of the covert coat. Supposedly Cordings of Piccadilly 'invented' the style.
     
  5. covskin

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    I think the basic style of the coat we know as a 'crombie' is a chesterfield, the covert coat is fairly close to a chesterfield but is different in many ways - twill cloth, ticket pocket, no cuff buttons, higher top button, longer vent, inside game pocket are the main differences from a 'crombie'. Similarities would be single-breasted, flyfront, notch lapel, pocket flaps, breast pocket, knee-length, waisted. The classic skinhead 'crombie' has a red lining as I remember it too.
     
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  6. The Saint

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    The red lining is a must have. .
     
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    The strange thing is that to me the 'crombie' made by Crombie (costing around £1000) looks far too luxurious for skinhead wear. Crombie never made 'crombies' back in my time and I doubt I even saw one made in Crombie cloth. Rare as a Baracuta harrington I reckon.
     
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  8. Man-of-Mystery

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    Bearing in mind that what we called a 'Crombie' back in the day was a style rather than a make (it was the Biro or Hoover of dark blue overcoats, if you see what I mean), as everyone above has indicated, then I do recall one or two girls wearing coats that had the crombie idea, but were tailored for the female figure. Also a similar cut was available, in other colours, as a lightweight coat in Trevira.
     
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  9. Bela Kun

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    Cheers, this helps. Any original era photos of girls wearing said style of overcoat (or similar) would be much appreciated.

    Edit: what are the coats worn by the girls below called, and were they common for skinhead girls then?

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    I can see where you are coming from Botolph,but like the Crombie,The Covert is made from it's namesake fabric.The defining difference of a Covert would be the four or five rows of stitching along the hem and cuffs.Apart from that,style wise is shares most things with a Crombie as we know it.I disagree about the requisite Red linining however as others have stated.I don't recall the girls ones being particularly fitted either? Certainly not like the other styles (Mod-ish tweed?) that have been posted.Though that did happen withe the Trevira/POW Suits that they wore. I 'm guessing these girls were pre skinhead.The shoes and (BOAC?) bag next to the girl in the van sways me in that direction.
     
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    The term 'Herbert' goes back generations in East London. My grandfather who would be 120 years old today used the term and so did my dad. Other terms for young men were 'Hounds' and 'Roosters'. Definitely not words created by skinheads. 'Sort' however I believe to be a Skinhead created word.
     
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  13. Bob the Badger

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    Apparently, a Burton suit made to measure would have cost about £225 at today's prices in 1966. At those prices I would have a M to M suit for every day of the week. In 1966 a man would order a suit on average every two years and have to wait about six weeks for it to be made.
     
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    The term herbert has been about a good few years, roughly meant you herbert as in you mug or idiot or a bunch of herberts..... its later use around music, god knows, your definition is right, I suppose it must have just sounded right
     
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    This 3/4 length sheepskin coat came in my mail today. Made by Antartex of Scotland some time in the distant past. Four football buttons are on their way.

    I suppose it's somewhat different to the original 1969/70 sheepskins - for one, the pockets aren't slanted, and I guess the cream colour would have been 'unusual' back then?

    But the fit is amazing, and the coat really looks stylish with dark indigo Levi's and oxblood boots.

    What does the skinhead fashion police think?

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  16. Man-of-Mystery

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    There were a lot of these about in mid-late 1969 around my neck of the woods. A lot of the younger birds wore them as school coats apart from anything else.
     
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    Stand still while I beat you with The People's Stick. :D
     
  18. Bela Kun

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    Aw mate, you don't like it? I think it looks the dog's bollocks.
     
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    You should post a pic of you wearing it Buddie , with the clothes you described . .
     
  20. Skinheads doc

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    Hello everyone,

    I know this isn't strictly clothing related but I'm researching a BBC Four documentary about skinheads and I'm trying to speak some women who were skinheads in the late 1960s /early 1970s. Does anyone know any former skinhead girls?

    If so (they don't need to still follow the fashions now), please can you drop me a message and I can give you my details for how they can get in touch.

    I'm really enjoying the thread!
     
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