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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. con man

    con man Senior member

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    We will have to agree to disagree,
    The bloke who started the thread is / was into the Traditional style, to me this means he likes the look of the original period, but there were Skinheads in 70's and 80's who followed that look, believe it or not.
    He says he is 47 and it was 2008, which would make him about 6 years older than me and would have only been 8 years old in 1969, he then states he was 19 in 79/80, so the chances are, he was part of that generation of Skinheads.
    I haven't read all the pages on this thread and to be honest have only just had a quick flick through the first 10 pages.
    He was obviously into the look of 67-72 period, as am I and many others, who are strangely of my generation maybe that's just an age thing, I don't wear boots ( only desert boots ) and braces anymore, but as you get older, I'm 48 now, you can get away with the more conservative / Ivy League look.
    If I wore boots, braces , loud check shirts and close cropped, I would look like ( we have all seen the pics of the so called Skinhead Reunion in Brighton) I'm not knocking them lot, but let's be honest, it not a middle aged mans look, bit like the comedy Mods.
    I'm wittering on a bit, But what I have noticed is that,
    In those first few pages, there is very little talk of the clothing of the original period,
    Punk, Oi! , SHARP, Casuals, Ska, Reggae, right wing politics, Ian Stewart, Laurel Aitkin, two tone, new wave, glam rock, Australian sharpies, New York, Sweden, Germany etc etc were discussed.
    And by what seem to be mainly foreigners.
    I don't know how long all that went on until an original Skinhead came on board.
    Now that's not to disrespect what people like yourselves and the knowledge you have of the original period, in fact it is the most relevant part of the cult and needs to be noted ( before all your generation pop your clogs) haha!!!( That's is said in jest)
    I'm just saying (and I'm in danger of repeating myself( I believe the thread was started to discuss all things regarding , Mod , Skinhead and Suedehead.
     
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  2. Ed Vaughan

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    Bugger me - not literally - I go away for a few weeks to watch Scottish fitba' in Portugal, and I return and there's a minor skirmish.

    Read it all, nobody really owns the forum, but let's not get bogged down by what divides us and concentrate on what makes us an entity.

    The soccer violence for me was part of being a skinhead - but not the be-all and end-all. I Loved the clobber.

    And, being a Scot, in England, I could have a ruck every day... and sometimes I did - but the results averaged out.

    No names pulled out as 'best', but some fellas (and the odd delightful "sort" )I've met through this MB have been diamonds - and it's sad some have stopped posting - Roy!!! - you listening?

    I am in drink so I'll let you crack on but, as an oldie, who properly did' The Wheel', the Casino (but felt 50!) and a few others including the MSG in the 60s and who never danced :embar: the 'scene' tae me was more important thaan the scrapping.

    Nigh-night, folks!
     
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  3. Clouseau

    Clouseau Senior member

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    Well this is true ! I think the first 'original' to come on board was MoM, who started the discussion about the first years.
    Then, gradually, there were more and more originals.
    But Ed is right, nobody 'owns the forum'.
    Even if of course the more interesting part is the 67-72 period.
    It has already been said, but until roughly 4 years ago the thread was called 'Traditional skinhead'. As the title was not PC enough for the forum moderators, they changed it to 'Mod to suedehead'. So it began to attract a different public. (For example Thin White Duke, Skinny Legs, etc, that are more 79' mods.)

    So after all Con Man is right. We should be open to talk about other periods - but with the 'Traditional' style in mind, no need to change thread IMO. Furthermore as the scope of the posters is wider than it used to be.
     
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  4. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    Not precisely. More like an extended conversation, which is what a lot of this thread is.
     
  5. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    Seriously, Ed, it's not that heavy. :)
     
  6. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    When I found this forum I had the impression that the people who were already here when I arrived were interested in getting closer to how the 'look' was in the late 60s, wanted to know what life was really like back then, but acknowledged that things had moved on since then. To me, the terms 'Traditional Skinhead' and "Mod to Suedehead' did suggest a particular period, the period I cared about and about which I could make a useful contribution. Maybe it has taken a long time, but I do acknowledge that things have moved on, and that this forum can be and ought to be fairly broad.

    However, what concerns me now is this: we ought to be able to strike a balance. If there is another forum thread anywhere in the English-speaking world that deals with, or has dealt with in some detail, the 'original' period, then I never found it, so we shouldn't lose that. Having the continued presence of some of us living fossils will guarantee that. A lot of things have happened in the phenomenon that is known as 'Skinhead' since my day that frankly I don't like - no need to spell out what they are - and they probably have a dedicated forum thread elsewhere on the web. BUT, I agree that us zimmer-framed totters should not have it all our own way here - yes, the thread should be broad enough to be lively.

    That's why I welcome new blood. So long as they don't try to wheel us into a home just yet. ;) :D
     
  7. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    A few years ago I was curious if there was anything on the web regarding original skinheads from the 69-71 era. I trawled through pages of latter skinhead stuff that I had no experience of and had nothing in connection and then I happened upon this forum and could not believe that there were people out there who could still talk about and recall how things were for us some 45 years ago.

    After reading for a couple of months I was impelled to put on my first posting after Lasttye had commented that if there were no new blood then they ought to call it a day (that was around page 450?) we are now on page 1478

    I was made very welcome and continued to post and share my memories for about a year. And this is where the problem arises. You tend to recall only moments of your life and when you do you then need to concentrate to remember more of any particular event. I think I have exhausted my memories until someone raises another topic and you can recall and put your bit in

    Many things on here have refreshed my memories from my youth and childhood. I have enjoyed contributions from similar aged contributors such as Lasttye, Bob the Badger, Roytonboy, Ed Vaughan, Pressuredrop, Mr knightly some older members M-O-M and Browniecj and younger ones Buttons, Basset, Bunty and Clouseau - this is to name only a few. I have also met a few of these guys and hopefully will meet up again and include some people I have not yet met Of the people I have met so far It has been a pleasure to be in their company and discuss the old days and also to take in what the younger guys have to say

    Its interesting that back in 69 we did not Analise what we were doing but of course the younger contributors to this forum do and I have learned so much of the detail of what we wore listened to that did not know back then. If it was not for this thread I would have had no way of knowing

    Of the last year or so I can only comment if I have something to say as unless i get a prompt to the old memory its difficult to get anything out

    I still read this thread most days and take on board its contents and it is remarkable that it generally has comments each day. In my opinion its worth keeping going

    People come and go on here and old faithfuls carry on posting - every ones got their opinion

    I have commented in my earlier postings that the 69 -- 71 era was very special to me and I treasure the memories - this thread and its contributors have kept that alive for me - thanks
     
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  9. roytonboy

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    Some well reasoned points from everyone - maybe that discussion was needed. Having seen photos and video clips of you con man, I never doubted that you were true to the original style - I couldn't really picture you with part shaven, part pink haired, pierced bird on your arm who was wearing fish-nets and 10 hole cherry reds.

    I shall continue to read and post when and if I feel I have anything useful to contribute.


    M-o-M - I had a chat with Little Queenie about the book the last time we bumped into each other.
     
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  10. covskin

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    Can't disagree with any of that. I too don't like a lot of what has happened since my time, seems pretty natural to feel that for something that really mattered to you - tradition does develop but there has to be some legitimacy to that. I look forward to reading a lot more about the clothing/attitude inherent in our tradition.
     
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  11. Man-of-Mystery

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    Me too, but I can't remember what we said. I can't remember why I came into this room. Who are you? Who am I? :D
     
  12. The Saint

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    I believe that forums are on decline in general, due to Fakebook . Whilst any forum will evolve and change over a given time period the loss of some members isn't necessarily down to a dissatisfaction with the quality of posting on here but after nearly 1500 posts there obviously is less to be said about the past that hasn't already been written . .
     
  13. skinny legs

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    I must confess, having never been a skin, I felt like something of a fraud when I joined the forum. I have however for many years been fascinated by all things skin- particularly it's evolvement from Mod, the social geography surrounding it, and the nuances between different skins from different districts.
    In the archives, I found it fascinating from reading MoM and Lastylles posts, that there were variances in dress style between NW and SE London; NWs tendency towards tonic suits as opposed to a more casual Harrington approach in Catford for instance. Every query I had has been answered by posters, though most had already been covered in the back catalogue- apologies for the repeats.
    I have a feeling that the book, which will be self published Im guessing, could go on to be a minor success. All the best to all.
     
  14. Thin White Duke

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    Thinking about some of the recent comments, like I said I was drawn to this thread as it had 'Mod' in the title and had no idea that it had originally been 'Skinhead' and subsequently altered. Discussion of Skin style is of some passing interest to me but the change in title explains why Mod content seems to be a such a smaller proportion. It got me wondering how come there has never been a thread dedicated specifically to Mod style? Mr. Knightley's 'The Look Goes On' thread touches on this. I dunno if there's enough interest to sustain such a thread. My attempts to shoulder in a bit of space by posting pics on CM are largely met with indifference and I've often despaired at the SF prejudice against 'hard three' jackets. It's a bit ironic as there is certainly a reverence on SF for Ivy Style which had a significant influence on the original Mod look (although not on me specifically) so I wonder if it's due to the American slant of this board, and that the majority just don't 'get' it?
     
  15. yankmod

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    Honestly,where else can you find this information? The answer is "Only here" It don't matter the squabbles,the scrapes,the insults.All Irrelevant.What is relevant is the Info Left behind on this site when all the "Jim Jim's" have gone.
     
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  16. cocostella

    cocostella Senior member

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    My main interest lies in the "hard" mod transition into skin and the mod revival of late 70/early 80s. This thread has been a valued resource for me, personally. I dig the info from the original skins too. Miss Button's contributions though...
     
  17. Soul Vision

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    That is exactly right, there used to be quite an active one on the mod revival here (https://bmodrevivalforums.runboard.com/) but it is a shadow of its former self due to FB with 'tumbleweeds blowing through it' as one poster noted - still worth reading the old posts though if you are into that era. Anyway thus you have the choice to either broaden the thread out a bit more or get some more 'originals' to join in - I suspect most though are not so into talking about their youth beyond the odd 'pub chat'. BTW I think forums on FB are pretty crap, hard to read especially if people post more than a few lines...
     
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  19. Man-of-Mystery

    Man-of-Mystery Senior member

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    Hi Danny, and welcome. I don't see the pic from 1968, though.
     
  20. TomMc666

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    Used to be on that forum a good few years back, it used to be very active but as you say facebook really had an impact
    Tom
     

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