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Discussion in 'Streetwear and Denim' started by Spirit of 69, Nov 19, 2008.

  1. Donkey Jacket

    Donkey Jacket Senior member

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    Im not sure , i wasn't around then obviously, i wear the stuff they wore back then now ( brutus, ben sherman, levis) etc, i also have the expensive solovair boots. even though work boots were worn back then at first, not exactly my definition of expensive footwear!. my point is stuff is a lot of the stuff back then was cheaper and better quality than it is now, and a lot of people don't have the money or time to buy these premium items, especially where i live.

    If i was better off i would get these expensive items, but im not, and i haven't got a bad word off the old skins i talk to when im at the pub.

    Its not like the original skins always wore the genuine article anyway, some wore fake sheepskins, Harringtons off the market etc, as evidenced by what some of the people have said in this thread, and in my opinion does not make them any less valid then anyone else
     
  2. AngryYoungPoor

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    That's fair enough, my point is that saying that the price of something is "ridiculous" is exactly the same as someone saying that wearing a Relco shirt is not up to snuff..
    Horses for courses and all. I certainly was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth (more like a used plastic one haha) but investing in quality clothing made ethically in a first world country is important to me. There is a middle ground of course, as previously stated, thrift/charity shops are often gold mines for cheap but well made goods. A solid, well made brooks Brothers shirt can be had for pennies and looks the shit. Just yesterday I found a cashmere made in Scotland, Pringle jumper for $7 in a Goodwill. Much better than an acrylic Ben Sherman jumper that will run you in excess of $85 new.
     
  3. Donkey Jacket

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    Thank you, you far better put what i was trying to put across than i ever could, and these jump the gun sound very reasonable indeed, i have looked at them in the past but i will definitely have another look.

    To angryyoung poor, i may of been exaggerating a little bit when i said it was ridiculous, but it certainly is quite pricey for someone like me, and i agree with buying from 1st world countries, but a lot of the time this isn't viable if you haven't got much cash, and i agree charity shops can be a good source for bargains.
     
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    Christian Charity shops often have decent BD shirts for Cheap.I found a Ralph Lauren pinstripe BD for 1.50.
     
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  5. Gsvs5

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    I don't think this or any other Forum regarding style would remain vibrant if that was to be the case.The whole look of the original Mod through Suedehead period as discussed here was based on the subtleties and details,so I would argue that there was a good chance anyone who was unable to interpret those latent pointers ,would indeed look like a "sack of shit"
    Without getting in the whole MA-1 debate too much,the silhouette of the original Military issue jackets and Surfer jackets were a world apart and instantly recognized as completely different.Just as the cut/fit of later production/reproduction Harrington's have altered to satisfy current fashion trends.So you can wear a pr of 2015 501's and a slim Bill Gibson MA-1 and still miss the mark ( despite spending a lot of money !), if indeed that is the aim?
    It's not for me or anyone to dictate what is right or wrong,but I believe it 's fair to express that opinion if someone is talking about a specific period and what was in fact worn and how.
    You raise a valid point regarding" how" clothes are worn........
    Some of the "Modern" cuts of older styles make it impossible to attain the same look as that of 40+. Yrs ago .and that is assuming that you even care/understand the differences?
    Just listed to Eno -The John Peel Lectures ,where he talks about Culture and touches on individual style and choices.Thought provoking and worth a look.(if anyone gives a fuck? )
     
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  6. Soul Vision

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    I guess there must be only a certain amount of 'original' photos going around as this CD cover of skinhead reggae features Australian 'sharpies' who had some connections to skinheads but never listened to reggae but rather preferred heavy rock...

    [​IMG]p
     
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  7. Soul Vision

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    Some great reminiscing from an old mod - I didn't realise the club scene was so strong so early in the decade...sounds like for him it was all over by 64...

    "I was an early face, 1961/62 Roaring Twenties Carnaby Street- always getting raided, then 62/63/64 loads of great coffee bars and then went between the triangle of the Wardour St Disco, The Scene, and finished up always at the Flamingo and after ( dawn Sunday morning) walked down Fleet Street to the printers café for breakfast, then down to Peticoat Lane and " sat on the wall" by the record stall all Sunday morning....later home & change back to London for Lyceum Sunday night.. Weekend in Soho Friday night to Sunday night. Mid week was local south London clubs from Woolwich to Peckham , Lewisham, and Greenwich with just one or two nights mid week in Soho. Fantastic atmosphere of those days...we were all lucky to have been there. The music, the clothes and the birds and great laughs with loads of mates...all good south London boys...but .when the little mods found the places, we moved out and on, and got old I suppose...but still got all the vinyl .....and still play the music."
     
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  8. Donkey Jacket

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    To me that is the point, its not that i don't give a fuck, its just not possible to get it 100 percent correct this day and age without spending a fortune, and in my opinion misses the point anyway, a reason the whole hard mod/skin style began in the first place( from what ive read anyway) is because the more working class mods could not afford the expensive clothing the better off middle class peacock mods would wear, that is why they started wearing work boots, braces, jeans, button down shirts etc, and that's what i wear everyday.
     
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    Think I need to point out that you are misunderstanding, or even misrepresenting, what I said. Frankly, I am a bit puzzled.
     
  10. ThinkSmart

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    For some of the original Mods it was over by '62 when the national press followed the Town magazine article and the scene started to go overground and with John Stephens taking over ever more shops on Carnaby Street. There was an interesting, almost undocumented transition of self-identified stylists, individualists and those who just merged into the Soho jazz scene. It was never one scene but a continual evolution and renewable for about a decade.
     
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  11. The Saint

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    None of those patterns are tartan , checked yes , tartan ,no . At around £97 a pop I'm out anyway for despite free shipping , one would still be hammered by import duty. .


    For a quality casual shirt , around £60 would be tops for me .

    The lifetime guarantee is a new one on a garment and I suspect that is why the cost of the shirt would be expensive. .
     
  12. flyfronted

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    Ben Shermans in 1969 were expensive mate .. most kids or adults couldnt afford Levi jeans - coming from Nothing but looking a million pounds remains the working class londoners way of sticking 2 fingers up,
     
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  13. The Saint

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    Some interesting points . I like the bit about impossible to attain the same look as that of 40+. . it wouldn't be that easy but you can still get surplus MA-1's that date back to the 50's and 60's which would belong to that time frame we are talking about . Most of the other stuff would be a challenge and you'd need to use ebay or second hand shops to obtain a BS, for instance, that was authentic. .
    However , the jeans could be the biggest challenge as any secondhand jeans from that period would likely be trashed by now and Levis , for instance are now nothing like what we got in the late 6t's early 7t's . I know that we can get brand new "vintage" Levis for around £250 but they still aren't the same and it defeats the original purpose. .

    I have seen original Hawkins Astronauts on ebay still in the box(deadstock?) , so maybe there is hope tho' that particular pair were not my size. .[​IMG]


    Of course , back in the day , guys my age wouldn't be dressed like that in the first place. .[​IMG]
     
  14. Gsvs5

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    I meant by a kid today going out and buying modern equivalent items,not dead stock or vintage.impossible is of course an exageration,but highly unlikely.
    My recollection is that By the time the MA-1 got noticed beyond Watford -it was over,and hence they were not really adopted universally.that and their scarcity.
    I only ever saw green surplus worn,so I suppose that fueled the desire for them when repros appeared 10 years or so later in every color.and they were everywhere.
     
  15. Donkey Jacket

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    im not a working class Londoner mate so attitudes may be a bit different down there, im what a lot southerners would call a scruffy northern bastard lol, i think i look the dogs bollocks with my donkey jacket, plain white ben sherman or check brutus, black braces, levis and 8 hole oxblood solovairs, i look alot smarter than baseball cap, trackies, and hoodies which is considered ''stylish'' by a lot of people around my end today. i guess we dont think that differently after all.
     
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    Now for something a lot more interesting...........
    This is a great event, I have been going for the last 8 years and can vouch for it.
    It's well attended by real people ( not faceless people who talk clever, but are afraid to show themselves ) for some strange reason!
    Original Skinheads, who will tell you how it really was, back in their day,
    Mainly folk of around my age, So called revivalist, second wave, or whatever you want to call us
    And more and more youngsters every year
    People from the UK and beyond,
    Friendly atmosphere, great tunes,
    A few prima donnas, who generally stand around the bar, preening themselves and basically doing nothing else i.e.....dancing
    But you just have to ignore them.

    [​IMG]
     
  17. con man

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    Great intelligent post
     
  18. con man

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    Is it just me or has this thread become a bit staid and boring,
    Yes it's all very nice and polite and every one wants to be friends and let's talk about clothes.
    But let's be honest, I think we kind of know what was worn and what was not by now, you have gone round in circles often enough.
    Skinheads were meant to be horrible trouble making, devil dogs.......
    Where are the stories of aggro at football, with other gangs, shagging birds, doing dodgy little criminal dealings,
    The kind of stuff you read about in Martin King or Chris Brown's books.

    It's seems to be all talk from the Hyacinth Bouquets (Middle Class snobs ) of the Skinhead world haha!!!!..........they probably were Skinheads.........for all of 5 minutes!!!
    Not seen any comments recently from that bloke who put a photo on here of his putty cat, very relevant, that was. haha!!!!
     
  19. Donkey Jacket

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    i guess getting kicked out of 3 different pubs on the same night for being too pissed counts, being a little shit in general in my younger years causing aggro, fighting with track suited scallys, getting me arse handed to me at the same time, nothing to be proud of but you did not live either if you did not be a little turd when you were a teenager.
     
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  20. The Saint

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    I believe he is wearing one or something rather similar. I have always liked that picture as it has some lovely scooters, in particular the GS with the chrome horn cover and mudguard. .

    I also believe that deerstalkers were quite popular with Mods , back in the day. .
     

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