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Mini (very) topic of the day: the Stand-off Four-in-Hand

voxsartoria

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Can a topic be more trivial then this? Not really, so let's start!

I get a surprising number of questions and PMs about how I tie my knots. The quick answer is that I have no idea how to show you, it's just the way that I've always tied them. Let's look at a few shots, ending with one that I posted in WAYWRN today:

Woven silk off a button-down collar (Kiton shirt, Oxxford jacket)

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Woven silk off a medium spread collar (Borrelli shirt, DeBoise jacket)

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Woven silk off a wider spread collar (Kiton shirt, Solito jacket)

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Woven silk off a button-down collar (Borrelli shirt, Oxxford jacket)

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And from today, knit cashmere off a spread collar (T&A shirt, Oxxford jacket)

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I only tie four in hands. What makes the knot different than what is typical these days is that the tie "stands" naturally "off" the collar. Let's see a side shot:

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My jacket is unbuttoned in this shot, so it is not providing any support to the tie. The knot is suspended in 3D just the way my male progenitors, of whom I am a dully literal namesake, always tied it.

Some guys use a tab collar or collar bar to get this orientation. Others might use a tiebar to take a bit of the droop out of their tie, effectively pushing it up a bit from the blade. In my case, it just does so without effort.

Let's take a look at another guy who does this, also with four in hands. Naturally, he's dead:

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Perhaps the stand-off FIH is the knot of those with fascistic tendancies? Maybe. But, I feel that it adds a bit of elegance without having to resort to contraptions to make it so. Why do I think it is more elegant? Well, it shows the tie off in greater degrees of rotation around the front, and frankly, it is one of those things that hearken back to the high point of the tailored lounge / sack / business suit, or whatever you want to call what we still wear today.

I don't promote it for others, nor can I explain how to do it.



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Holy sh*t do you have too much time on your hand nitpicking and indulging the styleforumites.

Since I can't see your pictures I'll have to assume they look nice.

To give my knot that off-putting attitude I've resorted to using a tie clip.
 

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How beautiful vox !! That tie knot is just so wonderful !! I really wish I knew how to do it and you could teach us The Secret !! It's so beautiful and anchored in the grand sartorial tradition of The Duke !
 

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I think your collar height might have something to do with it. When my shirt collars didn't fit me properly, they were too low down on my neck, forcing my tie knot flat against my chest. But now that all my collars are much higher, the knot get's more air.
 

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Originally Posted by lee_44106
Holy sh*t do you have too much time on your hand nitpicking and indulging the styleforumites.

I love my people, even those who are not Drapists.

Plus, some of us are hyper-efficient.

Originally Posted by lee_44106
Since I can't see your pictures I'll have to assume they look nice.

You assume too much.

Originally Posted by lee_44106
To give my knot that off-putting attitude I've resorted to using a tie clip.

St. Peter will have to judge this at the Pearly Gates, not I.


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I've been trying to find for a while out how that look is achieved. Just a normal 4 in hand?
 

voxsartoria

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Originally Posted by gdl203
How beautiful vox !! That tie know is just so wonderful !! I really wish I knew how to do it and you could teach us The Secret !! It's so beautiful and anchored in the grand sartorial tradition of The Duke !

In a very fundamental way, I wrote this thread just for you.

BTW, you look nice in that t-shirt you are selling for $35.


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Originally Posted by voxsartoria
In a very fundamental way, I wrote this thread just for you.
You're so wonderful and generous with your knowledge too !! Oh my, what a beautiful knot - and it stands off too.
 

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Originally Posted by gdl203
You're so wonderful and generous with your knowledge too !! Oh my, what a beautiful knot - and it stands off too.

I'm thinking of a special closet for them, with pull out trays.

Any thoughts?


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Looks nice. I like the extra 3-d effect.
 

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Underwhelming. How about a lil' vid of you tying it?
 

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Originally Posted by voxsartoria
I'm think of a special close for them, with pull out trays.

Any thoughts?


I can hook you up but you'll have to teach me The Secret
 

voxsartoria

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Originally Posted by randallr
Underwhelming. How about a lil' vid of you tying it?

Hmmm...should we use three three camera technique?

Maybe releaset the trailer first, and then the feature film?



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