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Reevolving can stay. Cause this is coming back:
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On the Loose: a New Baggy Look for Men By RAY A. SMITH Style memo to men: Exhale. After years of showing snug, skinny and even constricting clothing, some menswear designers are in a more relaxed mood. Fashion houses such as Calvin Klein Collection, Comme des Garçons and Louis Vuitton put fuller, wider cuts in their runway collections for this year, featuring baggy pleated pants and voluminous, flowing shirts and coats. "It was the right time to change the silhouette" after seasons of tight clothing, says Italo Zucchelli, men's creative director of Calvin Klein Collection whose fall 2011 collection at New York fashion week featured full, pleated pants and oversized bomber jackets. "Sometimes it's almost like your eye is looking for something else, looking for a new direction, a new feel," he adds. Yet mainstream brands—as well as many men—have only recently gotten comfortable with the slimmer silhouettes that flooded the catwalks in recent years. "It took us a long time to get men into flat-front pants," says Nickelson Wooster, men's fashion director at Neiman Marcus and Bergdorf Goodman. "I don't think either the customers or the stores are ready to throw that away." With fitted clothing still selling well, retailers see the new silhouette as a look for the fashion-forward, at least initially. While Bergdorf Goodman now carries long, drapey T-shirts from Rick Owens and plans to carry pleated trousers from Dries Van Noten, Mr. Wooster says it will take a while for fuller looks to reach regular guys. In menswear, "the pace of change is glacial," he says. "As more men see more images of newer fits, then over time, their eyes will adjust." For some designers, however, the shift is sharp. Even lines like Dior Homme and Thom Browne, once poster children for supernarrow, body-hugging silhouettes, have been adding more wiggle room to their clothes. Mr. Browne says he likes to play with classic looks' silhouettes and proportions "to make them not so classic." For fall 2011, that meant some baggy pants, including roomy jodhpurs, on the runways. Dior Homme started getting baggier last spring. Mr. Wooster cites designer Tom Ford as a key influence on the emerging silhouette. Mr. Ford, he says, "has proposed a more aggressive clothing model that has a bigger shoulder, wider lapel and a longer jacket." Tom Ford's latest collection also includes pleated pants. The looser look may come as a relief to many of the men who squeezed themselves into slim-cut pants and shirts in recent seasons. Karl Lagerfeld wrote in a 2004 book that he was motivated to lose some 90-odd pounds in 13 months in part by the desire to fit into Dior Homme's skinny clothing. But before men rejoice, style experts say, they should consider that baggy pleated pants aren't as forgiving as men think. "You have to be tall, you have to be in shape" to pull them off, says Mr. Zucchelli of Calvin Klein. "They're not for everybody," including, he says, himself. Mr. Wooster concurs. "I think flat-front trousers always look cleanest, regardless of body type." Men who still want to cling to tighter styles don't have to worry. Prada and Versace are among the labels sticking to closer-fitting clothes. Even Mr. Browne isn't completely abandoning his signature look. And the exaggerated runway looks may not be as wide and full when the clothes actually reach stores. At Saks Fifth Avenue, the relaxed silhouette and pleated pants will show up "in our advanced designer area," said Eric Jennings, men's fashion director. But this is "a specific niche audience in only a handful of locations across the country." Still, he noted one more constituency for pleated pants. "We'll still have some pleats for our traditional, conservative customer who never really switched to flat-front trousers in the first place."
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This has been on the runway for a season or two.

The skinny fitted thing is almost a decade old.

Fashionable silhouettes for men change every 7 years or so.

Extreme proportions look like the marginal looks they are as fashion swings back and forth.

Most stylish garments have some middle sense of proportion. The best reach a golden mean.

These will last through not one fashion cycle but several.
 

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Originally Posted by mack11211
This has been on the runway for a season or two.

The skinny fitted thing is almost a decade old.

Fashionable silhouettes for men change every 7 years or so.

Extreme proportions look like the marginal looks they are as fashion swings back and forth.

Most stylish garments have some middle sense of proportion. The best reach a golden mean.

These will last through not one fashion cycle but several.


Was that meant to be in verse?
 

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Originally Posted by mack11211
These will last through not one fashion cycle but several.
Or maybe no fashion cycles.
 

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Like baggy ill fitting clothes ever went away.
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I see them every day in my building. Baggy double reverse pleat chinos, with hems pooling around rubber soled black shoes (tucked in polo or OCBD and belt, of course), suits and SCs falling off the wearers.

I guess now they will be "in style."

There has always been, and will always be a market for well fitting and close fitting clothes.

Mike
 

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Originally Posted by MBreinin
Like baggy ill fitting clothes ever went away.

Seriously. I'm reading this article to say "Designers Throw in the Towel"
 

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Originally Posted by MBreinin
Like baggy ill fitting clothes ever went away.
lol8[1].gif


I see them every day in my building. Baggy double reverse pleat chinos, with hems pooling around rubber soled black shoes (tucked in polo or OCBD and belt, of course), suits and SCs falling off the wearers.

I guess now they will be "in style."

There has always been, and will always be a market for well fitting and close fitting clothes.

Mike


+1
 

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Really? I recall this happened back in the 80s as well, when some Italians and Paul Smith decided to remove every bit of construction from suits until they looked like bathrobes.

When you hear a fashion 'guru' talk about 'season change' you can be sure they're really talking about idea marketing for the sake of sales.

Repeat: Style is not fashion.
 

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Originally Posted by Agatha Crusty
Really? I recall this happened back in the 80s as well, when some Italians and Paul Smith decided to remove every bit of construction from suits until they looked like bathrobes.

When you hear a fashion 'guru' talk about 'season change' you can be sure they're really talking about idea marketing for the sake of sales.

Repeat: Style is not fashion.


The title was hyperbole.
 

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I never thought otherwise. But wanted to comment anyway.
 

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This will only be worth it if Stefano Pilati at YSL produces another interesting collection homaging Yves in the late 1960s and early 1970s

I'd also have trusted Prada and Junya Watanabe to make something engaging out of this, but they don't seem to be playing
 

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Originally Posted by barims
This will only be worth it if Stefano Pilati at YSL produces another interesting collection homaging Yves in the late 1960s and early 1970s

I'd also have trusted Prada and Junya Watanabe to make something engaging out of this, but they don't seem to be playing


I love Stefano Pilati. The clothing he does for YSL RG is exactly what I would wear if I won the euro millions lottery and decided to pursue a true hedonistic life - very glamourous.
 

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I tried a pair of Incotex's new "Skin Slim" trousers and also PT-01's "Super Slim" range and believe me, after that loose and baggy would come as blessed relief. They were comically tight and I have puny legs.

Incotex also has pleated trousers in its regular "slim" cut this year. They look a bit weird - large around the arse but trim in the legs.
 

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So dior homme and thom browne to be more roomy - does that mean their collection will be just regular slim now?

And Tom Ford to have more agressive shoulders and wider lapels... The only result I can imagine is a suit with a shoulder mounted grenade launcher/ cannon with fighter jet wings as lapels. Ford must have got his inspiratiin from Starscream
 

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