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Michael Andrews Bespoke? Thoughts?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by NMW1982, Feb 23, 2011.

  1. MrDaniels

    MrDaniels Senior member

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  2. UKtoDC

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    This actually is fun, you have a dull sense of humor if that provoked laughter...keep them coming...this is great.[​IMG] = Senior Members on this site. Avatars are cool, "bro."
     
  3. UKtoDC

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    Where would be the fun? I was already called a "troll" might as well own it. [​IMG] And I'll keep using dope avatars too!!!!!
     
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  4. Pembers

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    It doesn't strike me as at all obvious that UKtoDC is a spammer. What is so far-fetched about the idea of somebody going on the internet to recommend a company about which they are very enthusiastic? And once they have found an appropriate"style forum", why wouldn't they use for their avatar a photo relating to the company which they have created an account specifically in order to praise? On the other hand, if the OP was an undercover employee of this tailor, he would probably be more cautious about using such a picture.

    The photos I have seen show suits which have fit issues, but which are quite flattering
     
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  5. UKtoDC

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    Initially, no I was not spamming this thread. I simply googled MAB reviews before I went in for a consultation. The overwhelming majority of feedback was negative, I know to expect that from what I read on the internet. It breeds tough guys that are too scared to share their thoughts in person. I found this site, and decided to come back to it after my experience and share good or bad. I personally had a good experience and wanted to share it, most were negative. I did not respond obviously since I can see now that no one even posted till almost two months after I did. I do not frequent this site, I received a "we haven't seen you in a while" email and came back, didnt know my password or username. I saw that my honest opinion was being considered "spam" by the sheep on here, so I thought I could set the record straight, but the sheep flocked together and I get bashed. One thing I have posted on here that the majority who commented can't, is that I actually had an experience with the shop. As for my avatar, it's not even related to MABespoke, this is from Duncan Quinn, another bespoke clothier, and I've been a long time client of. So call me spammer, make fun of my comments, continue to degrade my opinion....that is fine. I am truly sorry I got sucked up in the bantar that proceeded, it's childish and we all should be better than that..so for that I apologize. Once again, this is not spam. I wish my opinion would have been taken as that, an opinion.
     
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  6. Pembers

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    I think you may have misread my post or detected sarcasm where there was not any.
     
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  7. UKtoDC

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    Not directed towards you, sir. It appears that others feel the need to comment on my responses so it was guided towards them. I actually appreciated your initial comment, other than the "spammer" part.
     
  8. manchambo

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    I'm not 100% sure if he's a spammer, but I am 100% sure he's not a lawyer as he claims. Lawyers very rarely say "it's cool bro," they never say "you must have mistaken myself," and they never ever ever spell degraded "degrated."
     
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  9. UKtoDC

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    Stereotypes. I'm only 30, I can't use "bro" on an Internet forum? And I thank you,human spell check, more proof people read blogs to bash (this time grammar over context) but i typed off my iPhone, I saw the "degrated" misspelling after I clicked reply. I didn't bother to proof beforehand. And fuck editing it, I didn't think it mattered, though I should have known better. And as for the actual OP, I truly know nothing about the topic, they are clearly letting me know, so take my opinion for what it's worth. I've only worked with three clothiers in my lifetime, Gai Gohari of AB, Duncan Quinn, ask for Twersky, and MABespoke. I don't have the clear knowledge of the other members on this site. *excuse any typos as this has been published off of my iPhone*
     
  10. MrDaniels

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    What color is the sky in this magical world you have created?
     
  11. Makoto Chan

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    I think you guys might be going after him too hard. It's not so difficult to believe that he bought a suit, liked it, Googled the maker, and posted his positive opinion.

    I waste plenty of time on the net doing purposeless activities. Writing about a purchase that brought me pleasure on a forum for people who might share a similar enthusiasm would feel better than... clicking through stories-of-the-day on MSN. And if the locals accused me of being a covert spy? That would probably be fun to respond to.
     
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  12. TheGraduate

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    I just thought I'd update this thread with my recent experience. I have always felt that many posts about tailors could stand to use more detail, so I thought I would write this post in service to details. For reference, I have been a client for five years now but am sadly looking for greener pastures.

    Service
    UKtoDC is quite right: having Michael's personal attention is important. His "stylists" Casey and Adam just aren't very good at their jobs. I understand they are young, but from all that I've learned about them over the years as a client, they do not have any background in tailoring or fashion. They can hardly even be considered salesmen, as they don't even have a background in service or sales. Additionally, for those of you who are concerned over matters of the inner workings of a business as it relates to the product they produce for clients, it should be noted that their production manager in China is some kind of young chap who left the naval service and fancies himself a playboy, saying things like the following in his personal profile on the website:
    Hardly the professional outfit that one would expect to be running things. The proprietor seems to have a penchant for hiring his under-qualified employees out of his client base. I am not sure as to the implications of this, but make of it what you will.


    With that said, allow me to relate my most recent experience.

    I placed an order with them. Their timeline that they gave me was the usual six to eight weeks. Eight weeks later, I heard not a peep from them about my order. So I emailed them. They said that it would be one week late. Their excuse was that they received a huge influx of orders in the past few months. Now, if that was true, then shouldn't they have known that orders would take longer to fulfill? At first, I was irked that I had to ask them about it. Honest people would be forthright with that kind of information.

    A week later, I didn't hear anything from them again. So I emailed them. Now, they really should've been the one to email me back to tell me that it would be TWO weeks late now. They said it would arrive the next week.

    So after the THIRD week past the due date, I had to email them AGAIN. They said that it would arrive by the end of the week. I was getting extremely frustrated, but the fact that it was going to arrive was a relief.

    Well, guess what? They decided not to tell clients that they were taking a holiday. Because they were not in the office to receive shipment, my order was made to be FOUR weeks late now.

    When I finally went to pick up my order, they acted as though everything was alright. Nobody acknowledged that the order was 4 WEEKS LATE out of an 8 WEEK TIME FRAME.

    The lack of clear communication and dishonesty was bad enough. But the fact that nobody took steps to remedy the situation was a clear indicator to me that MABespoke wasn't being run properly. Due to the recent decline in service and order fulfillment, I cannot recommend them.


    Suiting and Shirting Quality
    All of this is meaningless without considering the quality of their clothing. Michael Andrews Bespoke is my first and only bespoke clothier (aside from some lesser MTM shops I have tried out), so I have nothing to compare it to. With that said, the quality of their clothing seems quite good. The fit is lovely despite my odd body shape (tall and large with a 'strong chest' and 'strong calves' as a tailor once politely commented after rapping my calves with his knuckles, amongst other difficult features). There are no pull marks, the sleeves of the jacket are smooth, and the line of the trousers are clean as well: there is no unsightly bunching or odd bending anywhere. I believe that their suits are floating half-canvassed, but it may just be because I made the uneducated request for minimal canvassing at an earlier point in my education of bespoke suits. They use side panels on their suits (or at least mine).

    They carry quality cloths from Scabal, Ariston, Huddersfield, and Holland and Sherry, just to name a few. Their linings—all Bemberg as far as I can tell—are fairly varied, with a good selection, from more colourful and wild to the tamer ones.

    I can't attest to the tailoring as I haven't the experience or authority to speak on such matters, but the buttonholes appear to be hand-sewn and look quite nice—definitely not the cheaper ragged ones that you see on lower-end 'custom' suiting. They have working cuffs and in recent times have changed over to the Savile Row tradition of leaving the first/uppermost buttonhole non-functional.

    Shirts are not made with any seam allowances, so they cannot be let out, only taken in.

    The work is done in China (in Qingdao at first, then Shenzhen most recently). Because of the fact that the business cannot oversee its operations, I believe that this causes some production issues. Half of the time, you must double check that what you ordered is what you are getting. For example, the right colour buttons and thread colour in buttonholes and monogrammes. Additionally, anything that lies outside their more established norms are unlikely to be fulfilled. For example, my request for a higher collar on a cashmere overcoat was ignored. I do not know where their shirts are made (though I know it is a separate operation from the suits), but they sometimes do not match the buttonhole threading to the shirt such that the white buttonholes create a stark contrast with the shirt itself. There seems to be a decreasing lack of control over how garments are being produced compared to several years ago.


    Price
    A three-piece suit (made in the middle range 'Primo' option) made in Holland & Sherry Coolbreeze wool cost me $2,170 in 2011. A two-piece suit made of Vitale Barberis Canonico Super 140s wool cost around $2,100. Shirts made of Thomas Fisher and Canclini cottons are roughly $225-$250.


    Closing Comments
    My feeling is that the prices are inflated for what you get, though I am not entirely sure as I have yet to shop around for comparable bespoke clothiers. The tailoring seems to be spot on, but the service leaves much to be desired. I'm sure there are more experienced fellows who could weigh in on the value of the suits made here, so please do comment: I am always looking to learn more.
     
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  13. benyslookbook

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    I got Michael Andrews Bespoke grey pinstripe suit and I am very happy with the quality and details.[​IMG]
     
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