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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by GusW, Apr 11, 2013.
I don't go to a stylist...I go to a barber.
Panama's at Cable Car Clothiers just waiting for their new owners...
This is a Panama hat I got a couple of months ago on a trip to Hawaii.
^^ Transport is technically outside (as are lobbies, malls, dept stores). Eating establishments at transport hubs are technically outside as well if you're grabbing a quick bite, coffee, drink at the counter before you catch a train. Basically, if your coat is coming off so should your hat.
Indoor or out, dining is dining ... hat off. Ask yourself a simple question - do I look like a tool with my hat on right now? If the answer is yes take it off.
The problem is that many places can't deal with hats, or coats for that matter, so you're left balancing it on your knee. I was at an event last night where they had a proper coat room with cubicles for hats. Which was good as I wore one. The restaurant also had a "jackets must be worn by gentlemen and no denim" sign. Wonder what would have happened had I left my hat on. My guess is that I wouldn't make it past the host.
You may have talked me into getting one this summer.
I have several cowboy hats already but would like a hat to get a more citified look to wear with sport coats.
lefty: god, yeah, the lack of hat storage in restaurants these days is nothing more or less than an international crisis .
In "Casablanca" when Capt. Renault first comes over to Lazlo and Iilsa at their table Lazlo picks up his hat from the seat and tells Renault to join them. I always wondered where he put his hat. Under the seat or did he tell Iilsa to put it on the other seat?
Rick soon comes to join them and takes the other seat though.
Do you put your hat under your seat on the floor in this situation?
You pretty much don't want to put your hat on the floor of a restaurant.
You balance it on a knee or keep it in hand until someone takes it for you. It's a real pain in the ass.
There are high quality folding hats such as this one from Lock & Co. I photographed it at Cable Car and they have several colors. This might be an ideal solution for travel (hop on a plane, roll it up, etc..)
Serious question: I've always held that the only men who should wear formal hats today are those that were alive when their style and decorum were prevalent. Otherwise I feel like everyone ends up looking like they are either wearing a costume or are very affected.
I think there is a great deal of charm in an older man wearing a hat, but I feel that comes from years of knowing a society that wore hats at all times. They know how the hat should look, what looks compliment the accessory, etc. Younger guys almost always look like they found their grandfather's hat in an attic and found it a novelty.
I may be wrong here, but I've never seen a convincing argument to the contrary. Even guys like tibor, that clearly embrace the look fully, still don't sell me on the idea that it can be done well. It marks someone as eccentric rather than stylish or dashing, which goes directly against the decorum that it stands for.
I kind of understand where you are coming from. For myself though I decided that if I wear a hat for practical reasons (rather than stylistic ones) it does not come off looking so affected. For example, I only wear my Panama hat when I need protection from the sun. Likewise, if I lived in a cold climate, I'd probably only wear a felt hat when the weather called for it.
See a Panama is slightly less of a sticking point for me. As are cowboy hats. I feel like these are decidedly more casual and set a more playful tone that's echoed by the casual attire they generally accompany. I still wouldn't do it, but I can understand wearing a Panama to keep the sun out of your eyes.
I'm more talking about felt hats with suits. Hats that would be commonplace in the 1930s and 1940s as necessary accessories to a lounge suit.
Tibor wears costumes, but he revels in it so power to him.
Hats serve a practical purpose (for me it's warding off the sun) so if it's raining, freezing or blazing you need to cover your head. If you're heading to the office on a cold winter day and you have on a suit, overcoat, scarf and gloves; a brimmed hat doesn't seem to be much of a stretch. Regardless of your age.
If you're a young guy sporting a hat because it looks cool, chances are you're going to look like a twit. Now that may not be a bad thing as one of the beauties of being young is that you can look/act like a twit and come out of it relatively unscathed.
You guys really overthink this stuff.
There are three clothes rules:
Does it fit?
Is it flattering?
Is it appropriate?
I might add - stop being a girl when it comes to what you're wearing. Past that it's just 100 page wank fests on buttoned down collars. Put it on and get on with your day.
By this scale formal hats fail on two counts, at least for me.
And, with all due respect, this is a forum (chiefly) dedicated to clothes. So to brashly push past the idea of discussing clothing, dismissing it as over-thinking, is pretty absurd given where we are. I'm all about being realistic. It's just clothes. But clearly we both care enough to be here. Crassness isn't necessary, brah.
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