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Meet Justin Timberlake, the new Cary Grant

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by PhiloVance, Apr 9, 2013.

  1. PhiloVance

    PhiloVance Senior member

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    The standard in mind would be the one set by the author - Cary Grant. He is comparing Timberlake to Grant, apparently based on nothing more than the fact that they both wore a suit and tie once.
     
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  2. jrd617

    jrd617 Senior member

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    The GQ editor guy is nails on a chalkboard to me. There's a disconnect between his reverence for Cary Grant, etc., and the junk he and his magazine put out.

    For instance, I was just at the grocery store and saw this on the rack:

    -Three-sizes-too-small pants
    -Cropped hems
    -Shiny black blazer
    -Patent leather shoes in a non formal setting


    [​IMG]
     
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  3. suited

    suited Senior member

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    "broad-shouldered"

    :laugh:
     
  4. bertie

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    it seems to me there is an integrity issue with the popular men's style press. On the one hand, they make note of some past distinguished dressers but they are hostage to the brands that either currently pay their advertising or might in the future. They name drop Savile Row but haven't recently had a Huntsman or Poole or Richard Anderson focused style spread. I think this may partly explain why fashion writers of today focus so much on brands. They are not in the business of educating men on what to wear - they are in the business of selling advertising. In the old Apparel Arts/Esquire days - those roles overlapped.

    It makes perfect sense in this modern era for writers to single out recognizable people who wear the brands with a bit of style. These are the new style icons to them. Timberlake in Ford, Gosling in Gucci, every other actor in Prada.

    I do agree though that for someone aspiring to build a sense of personal style based on classical menswear, someone who simply cloaks themselves in a strong brand may not be an ideal role model.
     
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    This whole she-bang is marketing bullcrap. Justin Timberlake feeding off Tom Ford, and vice versa. This whole tiresome blown-out-of-proportion commercialisation and blatant endorsement of J. Timberlake in Tom Ford has gone shitwards when I first heard about his inspired album 'Suit & Tie'. The celebrated attempt to announce to the whole world that JT has come to sartorial sense through this album is a laughable joke. And to compare JT to Cary Grant? This is a far cry and what a blasphemy for comparison. JT will be forever be that curled hair voice-squeaking Mickey Mouse Club dude that prances around like he is the next best thing.
     
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    Sure, Justin Timberlake deserves some credit for the "openness and willingness" to try different things sartorially. Cary Grant, however, he is not.
     
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    chogall Senior member

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    Good or bad, JTbdid openly embrace the concept of suit and tie. And he did look good in that music video
     
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    I get all the hate, but honestly, anything that inspires people to dress better is a good thing. He might not be a Cary Grant right, but he is bringing interest in classic wear back...
     
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    I may need some of whatever is in your cup tonight to agree with this.
     
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    Claghorn Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Much like Thomas Kinkade inspired many to pursue art...

    I guess it depends how far the inspiration takes them. If it is beyond superficial, then yeah, it's a good thing. Otherwise, it's annoying to those who, whether they care to admit it or not, have some pride in the combination of being recognized as well dressed and being reasonably cognizant of what "well dressed" entails.
     
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    A Cary Grant wannabee is more like it. [​IMG]
     
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    Not to flog a dead horse, but I expanded on this idea somewhat on my blog after seeing yet another NYTimes article on a famous person that has somehow become an "authority" on men's style, despite the fact that the article makes it very clear that said celebrity does not even dress himself. In this case, its Carmelo Anthony, whom I assure you was not singled out based on my dislike of the Knickerbockers.

    I'm not sure where the most of the blame should be directed for this strange trend - although GQ seems to be a leading culprit. Allowing a man who has his entire outfit pre-selected and air-mailed to him to dispense style advice to the masses strikes me as . . . misguided? I'm not sure what the word is.

    http://uptowndandy.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-rise-of-blank-slates.html
     
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    I like the term "blank slate" - it describes the process quite well but has further connotations. It seems to me there is a divergence in more formal Classic Menswear. In one camp you have the old-school approach which has been well documented in Manton's book. This is the blue/grey suit, blue shirt, neat patterned tie + tasteful pocket square approach. On SF, it is accepted as orthodox. This manner of dressing evolves but at a very slow pace. Someone dressing by the "rules" would not look out of place in a 1930s photo or a 2013 boardroom.

    On the other hand, you have the fashion designers who have co-opted classic CM and merged it with their fashion-oriented RTW approach to marketing clothes. They use the same model as in women's fashion and apply it to men. Tie widths, lapel widths, pant pleats, snugness of fit, colours all vary over time. This form of mens clothing evolves much more rapidly. Look at GQ covers ovr a 10 year period and the changes are alomost startling.

    GQ and Esquire focus almost exclusively on the the latter. The editors pick "stylish" examples of men who conform to their esrthetic. This form of dressing is not really about building a wardrobe that stands the test of time and allows for mixing and matching. Rather, it is based on "looks" that adhere to the designers current colection.

    So while i understand why the magzines act the way they do it is a polar opposite to my own view of CM. Asking the model to provide advice on style does seem silly though when they are simply aping the underlying designer's vision. Better to ask the dsigner or the stylist why they chose a particular item or outfit Finally, in thei form of dressing, having the model appear doll-like or costumey is almost inevitable because that is exactly what it is..
     
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    No dimple in the shoulder of the chambray suit...flawless. A true visionary. Now all we need to do is get a scrap of the cloth from which this suit was cut and burn it...if it's polyester-free, he is indeed our savior.
     
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    If he had 20 of those suits AND they met your criteria I would agree
     
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    You must be on crack if you think CM stated the same from 1930s. Rules have not changed much but the cut and style are vastly different.

    Why cling onto igent's nonexistent ideological idea of perpetual classics menswear?
     
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    You do have to give the guy a little credit for doing this if nothing else....

     

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