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Meermin Mallorca Shoes

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by asturiano, Dec 5, 2011.

  1. HughJ

    HughJ Senior member

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    Allen Edmonds and Meermin each use many different lasts in their line, so such a comparison is difficult to make. You are far better off asking Meermin for advice based on your measurements IMHO.
     
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    You are correct on this. With regards to the plum museum and dark brown, they now have small quantities but will be getting more of it. But the plan is to make it a permanent fixture =)
     
  3. rc121

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    I'd have to disagree on this. When I emailed Meermin with measurements, they came back with a size way too large. It's a lot easier to get someone who owns a Meermin last I'm interested in compare their sizing in an AE last that I already own. While i agree that you can't compare all AE lasts to all Meermin lasts for a general Meermin size, giving overall length and width measurements doesn't take into account low/high insteps, whether you have wide midfoot/toe box, narrow heels, etc.
     
  4. HughJ

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    Certainly, as you qualified, he will need to note which AE last works for him. I just wanted to make sure rqc0 was aware of this additional variable, as he appeared to be under the impression that a brand to brand comparison could be made. Apologies if not.
     
  5. leetpuma

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    Make sure to find some thing on the AE 5 last that is the one that is closest to meermin widths.
     
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  6. rogejo321

    rogejo321 Active Member

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    Hey all! Been reading this thread for a while, but this is my first post. I have been eyeing up a pair of meermins for the last six months or so. I was actually able to go to the NYC trunk show and get sized up, which was great. Ended up ordering a couple pairs of the classic line just to see how they wear initially. Figured I'd post a few pics since I'm really happy with the purchase. FYI, came over from allen edmonds which just never fit my feet 100%, no matter what last I tried. My initial reaction is that both the olfe and hiro definitely fit 100% better in 8.5 UK than any AE I have. For your viewing pleasure:

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  7. Geran Brown

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    @rogejo321: Do you prefer the Hiro or Olfe last?
     
  8. rogejo321

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    I like them both. If I had to pick, probably the olfe, but I like the shape of the hiro too. The actually look a little more sleek than I remember from last time in person. To be honest, I have become more and more picky about toe shape, and I would be very happy with either of these. I also tried on the new rey last when I went to the trunk show, and liked those too. I think meermin does a good job with the shape of their lasts.
     
  9. wurger

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    Is olfe last narrower and longer?
     
  10. Claus

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    Hard to tell from your description, but probably not.

    I recommend to find a wall and use this as the starting point for your measuring tape. A wall in the bathroom is probably the best option, since you can fix the measuring tape to the floor with Scotch tape. Put your heel against the wall, and check the length to your longest toe.

    Also, measure in Millimeter and don't round up or down to half a Centimeter.

    To give you an idea why this is important: If your foot length were truely 265 mm, your reference size(s) would be a UK 8 and US 9. With that foot length, the average ball width would be something close to 102 mm. 110 mm would be very (very) wide. This is not a D width. I'd expect something more like a EE or EEE.

    So, my guess is you probably mismeasured. It's important to stand upright while measuring, since kneeling will decrease your foot length, and affect any information you'll get.

    Hope this helps.
     
  11. rqc0

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    Ok... I was at a bespoke shop today and they had a footbed measuring tool, so I used that.

    I took pictures of it with my foot in it, and I came out a 42 in European measurements... but by the conversion tables online that would make me smaller than a US10. (Also, maybe sneakers and regular shoe sizing are different from quality shoe sizing?)

    It's a bit blurry for the width and arch measurements, but I think I am a standard width which I thought was D, but according to the tool description I am a E, is that correct?

    And I asked them about the arch measurement, but not many knew about that.

    I'm attaching the photos, which I also just sent to Luisa.

    Do you guys think this info is sufficient or do I still need to go track down an AE/Nordstrom store and find an AE 5 last?

    Thanks in advance, I appreciate your help.

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  12. rogejo321

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    That seems correct based on what I can feel initially. And after having each on for a little while, I can comment a bit further. So I believe I have a somewhat low instep. I figured the olfe might fit better, and in fact it does seem to. I actually tried on the hiro classic line bals at the trunk show and when laced, the quarters touched together. However, with these olfe bals, there's a good small gap. With that being said, there is also a fit difference between a dub monk and a bal, so I will reserve more commentary until I get a better feel for them.
     
  13. rqc0

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    Hi,

    Thanks for your input, we just happened to post at the same time.

    Could you check my most recent post and give your thoughts on that? (Sorry if the pics are too blurry?)

    Thanks so much.
     
  14. rc121

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    that sizing looks more like 42.5 EE. This is why you need to try on some other dress shoes (hopefully from AE). You cannot gauge your sizing based on sneakers, especially if you have wide feet. I wear a 10-10.5 in most Nikes, so when I first went to dry on dress shoes I was trying around that size. Well guess what? I worked my way all the way down to a size 8 in Allen Edmonds, albeit in a EEE width.
     
  15. AceBoogie

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    New to meermin and I placed an order a few hours ago and got a confirmation email and then just recently got another email saying status has changed but when I log on, there's nothing different. Just says order introduced into system

    How exactly do I pay for the shoes? Via paypal or cc?
     
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    Ahhh, I see.

    Thanks for your input, sounds like I may be in a similar situation.
     
  17. wurger

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    You wait for order initiated and order finished, then the fourth email asks you to pay, as the shoes are ready to be shipped.
     
  18. Claus

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    Well, I was suspecting something like that, already.

    EU 42 would have been the equivalent reference if your foot length is indeed close to 265 mm. Since measurement devises are calibrated to use half a size more, I'd have expected a 42.5 and this is what the devise indeed shows (since you overstep the 42).

    So, your measurement is probably correct.

    The reason why you wear shoes in larger sizes is very probably because your heel, instep, waist, and ball girth measurements are above average, as well. This is rather common. My feet are like that as well.

    In other words, you tried shoes that are probably "true to size" (or close to it) although your feet are not! :)

    The result is that you size up by about a full unit (from your reference size of US 9 to US 10). This is because the fit feeling mostly results from the volume of a shoe where the leather is close to the skin.

    Meermin's lasts, unfortunately, generally have a low volume, including the New Ray. You may be able to get away with wearing a UK 9.5 in the New Ray. My gut says, you may even need a UK 10 but I have no data to back this up.

    However, be aware of the disadvantages: If you buy shoes in higher sizes (than your reference(s)), the volume may match, but the shoes will be too long for your feet, which probably results in

    • faster abrasion of the tip of the soles, and
    • deeper creases than usual (maybe, deep enought to create blisters on top of your toes), and
    • an increased risk of developing health problems in the long run (since a UK 9.5 shoe is 13 mm too long, and the soles act as a resistance that your feet have to overcome for every step).

    Honestly, you should be looking at another maker.
     
  19. rqc0

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    Claus,

    Thanks so much for your insight and explanations. Very helpful for me as a new purchaser for quality shoes.

    This is sad to hear that Meermin may not be a good brand for me because of the low volume lasts. I have been slowly reading online and looking for quality brands. I like Meermin's designs and I also like that they are a "new" brand.

    As for the health issues, thank you for that comment. This makes sense to me now that whenever I buy new shoes, I occasionally tripped when going up stairs because of the extra length. Also on some of my shoes such as Wolverine 1000 and John Varvatos captoes, the front do seemed scratched quickly, but I assumed I was just too careless.

    AE has been well vaunted, but for some reason I do not feel much of an appeal for them.

    Are all these considerations serious enough to not bother with Meermin?
    What do you suggest as a good alternate brand?

    Thanks so much.
     
  20. Claus

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    Whether this is sufficiently serious to stay away from the New Ray and similar lasts – hm, hard to tell. The evidence I've seen so far has quite a few methodological flaws, in my opinion. But it's at least evidence, so this is nothing one can simply ignore.

    From my personal experience: I find it easier to walk longer distances in shoes only one unit off from my reference compared to the 1.5 I'd need for lasts that run true to size (and close to it). I wouldn't touch the New Ray.

    A good alternate last if you don't like AE (which I can understand) would be Loake's 026 last in G.

    Depending how much your girths measurements deviate from the average, you may still need to go half a size up (ie. UK 8.5) but that would still be an improvement. The last looks awesome, especially with a cap toe oxford upper, in my opinion. Here's an example with a semi-brogue upper. From Loake, the Tweed, Ayr, and Severn are all build on the 026 in G.

    Another idea would be Alden's Barrie and Trubalance if you like boots. The Indy 405 (IIRC) is a classic and it should also be wide enough for you to wear it in a size close to your reference.

    If you want to stick to Meermin, the Rui last in EE is the widest, I think. Here's a popular example. Meermin fans here may also be able to say if other lasts are available in EE as MTO.
     

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