sorry long time from the post, I ordered black oxford (hiro last ,classic line) ; I compare them to Church's, Prada, Ferragamo, Gucci's ... etc... First of all let me tell you I'm Italian so is not some kind of hate vs italian products, but this http://store.prada.com/it/IT/man/footwear/lace-ups/4E2339_OLE_F0C9G IMHO is coplete shit... I'd not wear them if they'd give me 10$ everytime! They not only look awfull , but are also made really really badly! Taste is indeed a subjective matter (altough one could question those big brands... ) , but price and quality isn't. Church's are around 550 euro in Italy, leather is coming from exactly the same places, goodyear welted both, style well depend on taste (I like better meermin), quality seems pretty similar (I've 2 pair of church's, my dad 10 ) ... only difference is one costs 150 euro the other one 550! About Prada,gucci etc... 90% of their shoes are not even goodyear, if you'd ever want to resole them(assuming they don't fall apart after 6 month as they do) you can't! I mean is just ridicolous for the amount of money you pay!