Keep in mind those are just my own fitting notes - I have narrow feet. I am tempted to go back and get the Vil Adelaides in brown but I don't really need brown shoes and again, the last isn't really my thing. The Carminas there were nice and about 2/3rd's the price of what Crockett and Jones bench cost here in Japan, but there was a slightly mittleeuropean shortwing, the split toe blucher, and then a kind of dainty double monk there, none really struck my fancy. It should be noted that the fiddleback waists are kind of deceptive on these shoes - that's just a 2D pattern dyed on the sole. No real figuring. That was kind of disappointing but not surprising.