• CALLING ON HOME SEWERS TO HELP HEALTHCARE WORKERS FIGHTING COVID-19

    The lack of proper masks, gowns, and eyewear equipment is making it difficult for health workers to do their work fighting the novel coronavirus. In a recent New York Times article, medical workers said they were worried about how they can both fight the coronavirus without imperiling themselves, as well as their loved ones when they go back home.

    If you are a home sewer, please consider helping my joining Hickey Freman Technical Vice President Jeffery Diduch in his effort to produce and deliver homemade gowns and masks to medical professionals in the greater Rochester, New York Area. Read about how you can help here

    Fok and the Styleforum Team.

  • STYLE. COMMUNITY. GREAT CLOTHING.

    Bored of counting likes on social networks? At Styleforum, you’ll find rousing discussions that go beyond strings of emojis.

    Click Here to join Styleforum's thousands of style enthusiasts today!

Sfroide3

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2019
Messages
277
Reaction score
132
Sizing help for wide feet - I am interested in the current MTO shell cordovan boot in cigar, but I am unsure about which size to order. I do not have any Meermin shoes or boots, and I do not live near a Meermin retail store. On Allen Edmonds 65 last, I wear 6.5 EEE, and 6 EEE on their 201 last. I am between size 7.5D - 8D on the Brannock scale. My feet measure 254mm long and 103mm wide. I've read numerous message boards, their sizing chart, size measurements and I am still unsure as I have not found a posting of someone who wears AEs in "EEE" width. Can some poeple please chime in on size recommendations for the MTO shell cordovan boots on the HOK last? Thank you in advance!
EEE ... Well I guess you gotta pass on any brand not doing extra wide lasts. You say you are a Brannock 7.5D-8D (normal width) but you did buy shoes 2 size smaller and in 2 extra width ??? What's going on there ?
 

Crafty Cumbrian

Distinguished Member
Joined
Nov 7, 2017
Messages
2,220
Reaction score
3,304
Sizing help for wide feet - I am interested in the current MTO shell cordovan boot in cigar, but I am unsure about which size to order. I do not have any Meermin shoes or boots, and I do not live near a Meermin retail store. On Allen Edmonds 65 last, I wear 6.5 EEE, and 6 EEE on their 201 last. I am between size 7.5D - 8D on the Brannock scale. My feet measure 254mm long and 103mm wide. I've read numerous message boards, their sizing chart, size measurements and I am still unsure as I have not found a posting of someone who wears AEs in "EEE" width. Can some poeple please chime in on size recommendations for the MTO shell cordovan boots on the HOK last? Thank you in advance!
I’ve never seen any manufacturers sizes questioned as much as Meermin. Must be the direct sales model and people not sizing correctly? You’ve gone the correct thing asking first.

I have the same boot from the previous run and went true to uk sizing ( I am uk sized!). It fits me well without heel slip. I usually wear uk brands like Trickers, C and J or Cheaney which are noted for their width and take those true to size. Disclaimer, I usually wear slightly thicker socks.
 
Joined
Mar 28, 2018
Messages
5
Reaction score
2
EEE ... Well I guess you gotta pass on any brand not doing extra wide lasts. You say you are a Brannock 7.5D-8D (normal width) but you did buy shoes 2 size smaller and in 2 extra width ??? What's going on there ?
It seemed odd to me as well so I got someone else to check my Brannock in a different shop (Nordstrom) and both measurements were the same (between 7.5D - 8D). I ordered AEs Dalton boot (511 last) size 7.5US online (no AE stores near me), and it's much too long. I later ordered AE strand (65 last) size 7EE US and it also felt a little too long. I have since ordered their strand and park aves both in 6.5EEE US and they feel great.
That said, I have a pair of AE on the 64 last in 7E and they fit great....makes no sense to me either...
 

Contango

Senior Member
Joined
Mar 11, 2010
Messages
564
Reaction score
391
Meermin site is still hacked/hijacked.

I’ve contacted them several times but had no response. Not really willing to order from their site until it’s fixed, just not safe.
 

Sfroide3

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2019
Messages
277
Reaction score
132
It seemed odd to me as well so I got someone else to check my Brannock in a different shop (Nordstrom) and both measurements were the same (between 7.5D - 8D). I ordered AEs Dalton boot (511 last) size 7.5US online (no AE stores near me), and it's much too long. I later ordered AE strand (65 last) size 7EE US and it also felt a little too long. I have since ordered their strand and park aves both in 6.5EEE US and they feel great.
That said, I have a pair of AE on the 64 last in 7E and they fit great....makes no sense to me either...
Well. If Brannock sizing was done right, the ball of your feet should be at the right place in a 7.5 or 8 pair of shoes. A smaller size wouldn't be right. Did you feel that you had too much room on the toe cap or was your ball misaligned ?
 
Joined
Mar 28, 2018
Messages
5
Reaction score
2
Did you feel that you had too much room on the toe cap or was your ball misaligned ?
Both, but mainly too much length between the end of my toes and the tip of the shoes. My toes end at the cap-toe seam in an Allen Edmonds size 8. I have converse x 2, Taft, and M.Gemi sneakers all in US size 8 and fit well. I heard dress shoes are approx. 1 size down from sneakers. That is not why I buy these sizes, I simply buy these sizes because they seem to fit my foot the best.
 

Sfroide3

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2019
Messages
277
Reaction score
132
Both, but mainly too much length between the end of my toes and the tip of the shoes. My toes end at the cap-toe seam in an Allen Edmonds size 8. I have converse x 2, Taft, and M.Gemi sneakers all in US size 8 and fit well. I heard dress shoes are approx. 1 size down from sneakers. That is not why I buy these sizes, I simply buy these sizes because they seem to fit my foot the best.
There is obviously something wrong.

1. It could be your sizing in store.
2. It could be your choice of sizing down and going wide

My understanding is that you might be looking for too much fullness on the captoe of the shoes. You are not supposed to touch the tip of the shoes ever.


From: twogoodfeet

Depending on lasts and brands you might need to size up or down. Right now if you are a brannock US7.5D (let's be conservative) and you wear 6EEE, I would investigate and fix that way before ordering any kind of new shoes.

(Sneakers to Dress shoes is something special. I have my converse in Men 9 (they don't call it US), UK9, Euro 42.5. This conversion doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't base anything on this.)
 

nerator

New Member
Joined
Jul 17, 2019
Messages
3
Reaction score
4
Hi everybody,
I need opinion and advice of cordovan service boots owners.
I do not have HOK last in my shoes wardrobe and I wear 7,5UK in most my shoes in Hiro lasts and English shoes. If I take 7,5 will it be too roomy that possible to put inserts inside or put on thick socks? I do not need extra space inside for thick socks or inserts. I want them not to be too roomy and not tight as well. Just comfortable, true to size and not narrow. Should I go down to half size and take 7UK or it will be excessivly tight. Do you like these shoes and how did they show themselves in use?
Appreciate your suggestions.
 
Last edited:
Joined
Mar 28, 2018
Messages
5
Reaction score
2
There is obviously something wrong.

1. It could be your sizing in store.
2. It could be your choice of sizing down and going wide

My understanding is that you might be looking for too much fullness on the captoe of the shoes. You are not supposed to touch the tip of the shoes ever.


From: twogoodfeet

Depending on lasts and brands you might need to size up or down. Right now if you are a brannock US7.5D (let's be conservative) and you wear 6EEE, I would investigate and fix that way before ordering any kind of new shoes.

(Sneakers to Dress shoes is something special. I have my converse in Men 9 (they don't call it US), UK9, Euro 42.5. This conversion doesn't make any sense. I wouldn't base anything on this.)
I followed your advice today. It was my day-off work, so I hopped into my car and went to the closest Allen Edmonds store for proper sizing - no food stops, and 1 gas stop: 10 hour trip!
In short (pardon the pun), you were correct: I was sizing down and going wide.
Today's results as measured by the AE staff:
Brannock: 8 D
65 last: 8 D
1757 last: 8 D (a little loose with dress socks)
943B (Liverpool chelsea boot) last: 8 E
1943 Last: 8 E
606 Last: 7 1/2E
I must say, it was worth it. I bought two new pair (dark brown shell cordovan Patriot loafer, and dark brown suede Liverpool chelsea).
Sfroide3 - you helped me: thank you! Even though I now have a few 1000 dollars worth of undersized shoes, I am happy because I have a far wider selection to choose from in size 8D rather than 6.5 EEE!!!!
THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
 

Sfroide3

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2019
Messages
277
Reaction score
132
Hi everybody,
I need opinion and advice of cordovan service boots owners.
I do not have HOK last in my shoes wardrobe and I wear 7,5UK in most my shoes in Hiro lasts and English shoes. If I take 7,5 will it be too roomy that possible to put inserts inside or put on thick socks? I do not need extra space inside for thick socks or inserts. I want them not to be too roomy and not tight as well. Just comfortable, true to size and not narrow. Should I go down to half size and take 7UK or it will be excessivly tight. Do you like these shoes and how did they show themselves in use?
Appreciate your suggestions.
Meermin quote:

"We do recommend to wear the same size as the HIRO or RUI lasts, for a more relaxed fit, or going down half a size for a more close cut fit. Also suitable for customers in need of a wide fit. "

I think if the Hiro is a snug fit for you now, you can go the same size on the HOK with maybe an insert or even an orthopedic insert. If Hiro is not snug and you want to keep a more snug fit you should size down.
 

Sfroide3

Senior Member
Joined
Aug 6, 2019
Messages
277
Reaction score
132
I followed your advice today. It was my day-off work, so I hopped into my car and went to the closest Allen Edmonds store for proper sizing - no food stops, and 1 gas stop: 10 hour trip!
In short (pardon the pun), you were correct: I was sizing down and going wide.
Today's results as measured by the AE staff:
Brannock: 8 D
65 last: 8 D
1757 last: 8 D (a little loose with dress socks)
943B (Liverpool chelsea boot) last: 8 E
1943 Last: 8 E
606 Last: 7 1/2E
I must say, it was worth it. I bought two new pair (dark brown shell cordovan Patriot loafer, and dark brown suede Liverpool chelsea).
Sfroide3 - you helped me: thank you! Even though I now have a few 1000 dollars worth of undersized shoes, I am happy because I have a far wider selection to choose from in size 8D rather than 6.5 EEE!!!!
THANK YOU, THANK YOU!
You are very welcome. I am glad you were able to figure out what was wrong with your sizing in store. You will loose some money now selling these old shoes, but in the long run you know your sizing and have access to way more brands. I think it will also be way better for your feet health to have them in some proper sized shoes !

Cheers !
 

Styleforum is proudly sponsored by

Featured Sponsor

WHICH TYPE OF SNEAKERS WORK BEST ON A FIRST DATE?

  • Classic Leather Low-Top

  • Canvas Plimsoll

  • Leather Slip-On

  • Canvas Slip-On

  • Athletic Kicks

  • Leather High-Top


Results are only viewable after voting.

Related Threads

Forum statistics

Threads
436,033
Messages
9,371,345
Members
196,636
Latest member
bizparsan
Top