MC General Chat

[ericgereghty]

It's more a compliment to.

Dare I say, a veritable potpourri

 

[Club Soda]

I’m going to Los Angeles and I’d like to browse some nice rack suits. What stores should be on my list?

Ralph Lauren
Brioni
Zenga
Isaia
Tom Ford

That’s a brief walking tour off Rodeo; I’d also like to see if there are any independent stores worth visiting. I’ll have a rental car to drive around.

 

[whorishconsumer]

 

[gdl203]

Eh, this is a topic that will never go anywhere because people will always make it about politics rather than aesthetics.

The problem is that requesting the presence of a type of clothing has very little to do with aesthetics. You have just as many terrible looking fits including a jacket as you have aesthetically pleasing fits including sandals or a cap. Mandating a level of formality does not really equate to mandating a level of aesthetics. Maybe black tie dress code is an exception as there is an aesthetic statement that is made when everyone wears black and white, even if the tuxes are awful

I understand dress codes but when they get bullet-point list prescriptive, they feel a bit dumb. A simple sentence on the level of formality you expect of people is a better approach.

 

[ValidusLA]

NYC still smells better than Denver, but the pot smell in both has truly gotten out of hand.

 

[Mirage-]

The problem is that requesting the presence of a type of clothing has very little to do with aesthetics. You have just as many terrible looking fits including a jacket as you have aesthetically pleasing fits including sandals or a cap. Mandating a level of formality does not really equate to mandating a level of aesthetics.

I understand dress codes but when they get bullet-point list prescriptive, they feel a bit dumb. A simple sentence on the level of formality you expect of people is a better approach.

I think those two are very different statements though. I can certainly agree with the second one, the more specific they become the more they start to feel silly, as well as more restricting. It probably feels much better to say just "business casual" and allow in anyone that isn't really obviously and blatantly breaking the dress code's spirit, which is honestly fine by me. But I suppose the reason that many places with dress codes (many of the few that there still are, that is) often don't just do this is because then you get people clueless about dress codes that get surprised at being rejected entrance, which must feel very bad. Ofc, they should have probably done the bare minimum research, but from a commercial standpoint it might not be the best outcome.
Which is probably why then the dress codes often devolve into the much simpler yet much uglier bullet list of don'ts, which at least bears no surprises even to the least knowledgeable people on the matter.

The first one is a bit harder. One one hand I want to agree with you, there are a lot of bad fits regardless of formality. In truth I wish you could conjure up a dress code that boils down to "wear whatever you want, as long as you do make an effort", but alas that's not enforcable.
On the other hand, though I know it's the extreme end of the spectrum, then I think about people wearing literal beachwear/swimwear into elegant restaurants, or the almost-universally-despised cargo shorts, and that feels like somewhat of a counterpoint to the argument.

But more importantly, I do however think that, on average, the mere presence of any kind of dress code in a place/event will inspire the aspiring clients to indeed make an effort (however that may translate for them, their knowledge, experience and finally yes also their means), and that therefore the results would be, again on average, more aesthetically pleasing. Which is a good thing, I hope we can all agree on this at least (otherwise why are we even here on this forum?).

 

[gdl203]

Unfortunately, for some people, the more effort they put into their outfit, the worse it looks 🤣

But yea, there’s no perfect solution. I prefer to err on the side of being more welcoming and inclusive personally. And as a patron, that sign would turn me off more than another patron in cargo shorts.

But I guess there should be establishments for everyone, including those who feel that their dining experience is enhanced by such signs. Can’t please everyone

 

[ValidusLA]

As long as we all agree Blundstones suck, right? Right?

 

[imatlas]

NYC still smells better than Denver, but the pot smell in both has truly gotten out of hand.

<SanFrancisco has entered the chat>

 

[Mirage-]

But I guess there should be establishments for everyone, including those who feel that their dining experience is enhanced by such signs. Can’t please everyone

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. If you don't like it, go to one of the thousands that don't have one, if you do like it, I think you should be able to have that option as well.

 

[ValidusLA]

<SanFrancisco has entered the chat>

I was forced to go to that hell hole like 5 years ago for a wedding. I'm sure it smells like a stoners unwashed drawers these days.

 

[beargonefishing]

It's fascinating to me that people get so emotional about how other people dress. I care how I dress, but am completely nonplussed by how other people dress.

 

[imatlas]

I was forced to go to that hell hole like 5 years ago for a wedding. I'm sure it smells like a stoners unwashed drawers these days.

😕

 

[smittycl]

<SanFrancisco has entered the chat>

I had a meeting at a Federal Building in SF and the The Tenderloin was between there and my hotel. Quite a stark contrast between Union Square and The Tenderloin even though they are adjacent.

Yikes.

 

[JohnMRobie]

It's fascinating to me that people get so emotional about how other people dress. I care how I dress, but am completely nonplussed by how other people dress.

It was actually kind of funny seeing DWW mentioned on this given he has pretty explicitly said he isn’t bothered by how anyone wants to dress on the formality scale.