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[ericgereghty]

Oh brother, noooooooooo.

 

[othertravel]

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Hey guys,

A retailer in Canada is selling these Santoni Limited Edition shoes for 82% off (it says 80%, but there's a coupon code).

Comes out to $436.26 USD. Happy to proxy at cost (i.e. you pay for the shoes and shipping only).

Looks like they usually retails in the $2200 USD range.

Santoni Limited Edition Franc Burnished Leather Reverse Stitch Le Oxford Brogues | Dress Shoes | Final Cut​

Oxford shoes are a sartorial staple and this Santoni design is first rate. The reverse stitch lace-ups are crafted in Italy from smooth leather, complete with tonal perforations along the upper. This pair is a luxurious way to finish off formal looks or nights on the town.

www.shopfinalcut.com

Santoni Limited Edition Francesina Burnished Leather Oxford Brogues | Dress Shoes | Final Cut​

Oxford shoes are a sartorial staple and this Limited Edition Santoni design is first rate. The wingtip lace-ups are crafted in Italy from smooth leather, complete with tonal perforations along the upper. This pair is a luxurious way to finish off formal looks or nights on the town.

www.shopfinalcut.com

Santoni Limited Edition Gaben Burnished Leather Apron Laceup Oxfords | Dress Shoes | Final Cut​

Burnished leather Oxfords are a sartorial staple and this Santoni design is first rate. The apron toe lace-ups are crafted in Italy from a burnished and polished calfskin upper, complete with tonal stitching and laces. They're a luxurious way to finish off formal looks or dinner dates on the town.

www.shopfinalcut.com

 

[DorianGreen]

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Hey guys,

A retailer in Canada is selling these Santoni Limited Edition shoes for 82% off (it says 80%, but there's a coupon code).

Comes out to $436.26 USD. Happy to proxy at cost (i.e. you pay for the shoes and shipping only).

Looks like they usually retails in the $2200 USD range.

Santoni Limited Edition Franc Burnished Leather Reverse Stitch Le Oxford Brogues | Dress Shoes | Final Cut​

Oxford shoes are a sartorial staple and this Santoni design is first rate. The reverse stitch lace-ups are crafted in Italy from smooth leather, complete with tonal perforations along the upper. This pair is a luxurious way to finish off formal looks or nights on the town.

www.shopfinalcut.com

Santoni Limited Edition Francesina Burnished Leather Oxford Brogues | Dress Shoes | Final Cut​

Oxford shoes are a sartorial staple and this Limited Edition Santoni design is first rate. The wingtip lace-ups are crafted in Italy from smooth leather, complete with tonal perforations along the upper. This pair is a luxurious way to finish off formal looks or nights on the town.

www.shopfinalcut.com

Santoni Limited Edition Gaben Burnished Leather Apron Laceup Oxfords | Dress Shoes | Final Cut​

Burnished leather Oxfords are a sartorial staple and this Santoni design is first rate. The apron toe lace-ups are crafted in Italy from a burnished and polished calfskin upper, complete with tonal stitching and laces. They're a luxurious way to finish off formal looks or dinner dates on the town.

www.shopfinalcut.com

Not my taste, but it seems a good deal.

 

[mktitsworth]

Retail on those seems way overpriced, even for CAD. I've played with Santoni in person and they're not comparable to my St. C's or G&Gs.

 

[Mirage-]

Italian tailors are mostly responsible for aberrations like this, a ridiculously small jacket, where almost everything looks off.

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Another one from the same maker with right proportions.

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Yeah I don't get this either, I see it all over ads in Italy. The mind boggling thing is that it happens to high-end renowned brands as well (such as here, but particularly all over their websites, though often very limited), not just the dozens of low-tier high street shops selling fused jackets.
The funny thing to me is that in most cases the jackets are not actually as short as they look in the photos, and for decent/good brands, not short at all (for central European body types).
Exceptions for knitted jackets, those are indeed terribly short for tailoring as they are really sized as knitwear.

Sometimes I wonder if the problem is simply that they're using super tall models because the fashion industry learned that "tall = more attractive", but then forgot that the clothes the brands actually make to sell are sized around average heights for obvious reasons. So they are giving them "normal-people" pieces because they can't be bothered to make adjusted samples (and very few brands stock long - or short for that matter - sizes), and this is the result.
But, I mean, I find it hard to believe professionals don't realize this if I do. So what other explanation is there? They must think it actually looks good?
I get that high street brands push the skinny short look because that was trendy 10-20 years ago and for whatever reason here in Italy high street menswear has been literally stuck in there for over a decade, but I certainly wouldn't expect it from Orazio Luciano.

 

[othertravel]

Yeah I don't get this either, I see it all over ads in Italy. The mind boggling thing is that it happens to high-end renowned brands as well (such as here, but particularly all over their websites, though often very limited), not just the dozens of low-tier high street shops selling fused jackets.
The funny thing to me is that in most cases the jackets are not actually as short as they look in the photos, and for decent/good brands, not short at all (for central European body types).
Exceptions for knitted jackets, those are indeed terribly short for tailoring as they are really sized as knitwear.

Sometimes I wonder if the problem is simply that they're using super tall models because the fashion industry learned that "tall = more attractive", but then forgot that the clothes the brands actually make to sell are sized around average heights for obvious reasons. So they are giving them "normal-people" pieces because they can't be bothered to make adjusted samples (and very few brands stock long - or short for that matter - sizes), and this is the result.
But, I mean, I find it hard to believe professionals don't realize this if I do. So what other explanation is there? They must think it actually looks good?
I get that high street brands push the skinny short look because that was trendy 10-20 years ago and for whatever reason here in Italy high street menswear has been literally stuck in there for over a decade, but I certainly wouldn't expect it from Orazio Luciano.

Brioni is guilty of it too.

Edit:

Here's another Brioni:

Looks a lot better, but still a bit too short. Could also be the high buttoning stance.

 

[othertravel]

Retail on those seems way overpriced, even for CAD. I've played with Santoni in person and they're not comparable to my St. C's or G&Gs.

Serious question - its been a while since I've handled G&G. Is $675 a good price for a NIB pair with lasted shoe trees?

 

[mktitsworth]

Serious question - its been a while since I've handled G&G. Is $675 a good price for a NIB pair with lasted shoe trees?

Yes, given that they are NIB.

 

[othertravel]

Yes, given that they are NIB.

Then lets let the good times role!

 

[Mirage-]

Brioni is guilty of it too.

Edit:

Here's another Brioni:

Looks a lot better, but still a bit too short. Could also be the high buttoning stance.

Yeah but are those targeted ad campaigns or just VIPs wearing and possibly endorsing the brands?
In that case the fault might be with the VIP, we all know most of them are clueless about menswear.
What is really weird to me is when they do that in dedicated product photoshoots with professional models, copywriters etc etc.

 

[othertravel]

Yeah but are those targeted ad campaigns or just VIPs wearing and possibly endorsing the brands?
In that case the fault might be with the VIP, we all know most of them are clueless about menswear.
What is really weird to me is when they do that in dedicated product photoshoots with professional models, copywriters etc etc.

I would assume that in the case of Chris Pratt, the sales associate could have recommended a tall instead of a regular. Many celebrities also work with personal stylists, which may explain the irregular fits.

 

[Mirage-]

I would assume that in the case of Chris Pratt, the sales associate could have recommended a tall instead of a regular. Many celebrities also work with personal stylists, which may explain the irregular fits.

I know, but given how bad most menswear fits from red carpet etc are, I have to deduce their personal stylists also are often clueless (or more likely, tasteless) about menswear.
I mean, in many cases they don't even have trousers hemmed decently, I can't honestly find any excuse for that.
Besides that, many brands do not actually stock tall or short sizes so they may not have anything to recommend in that sense, or the VIP/stylist may overrule the suggestion anyway.
While in professional products photoshoots there are no such variables: the brand's representative definitely made the (I assume) unpressured decision to portray the brand in that way. And no one, from the ad director to the photographer to anyone else involved, suggested any better evidently.

 

[othertravel]

Interesting boots by Brioni:

I like the brogueing on these chelseas, and the sharpness of the silhouette reminds me of JL and G&G.

 

[mktitsworth]

I can see that. I would like to know who made them for Brioni.

 

[othertravel]

I can see that. I would like to know who made them for Brioni.

When I visited the flagship in Rome, I went ahead and asked. Alas, did not get a straight answer.

I know that Lattanzi used to make their shoes, but I don't think they made the boots above.