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Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by dieworkwear, Aug 4, 2012.

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  1. KObalto

    KObalto Senior member

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    "A pair of Lendvay & Schwarcz oxford brogues similiar both in style and colour to the C&J Clifford, which needs a resoleing and new laces but other from that is a shoe I like a lot. Not sure though if I should pair an oxford with as casual a pant as a chino?"
    I like wingtips with chinos.
     


  2. unbelragazzo

    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    ^nice batch of fits. How about some pebble-grain or otherwise textured bluchers? I have these:

    http://leffot.com/shop/gaziano-girling-hove/

    I like them a lot, but obviously they are pretty expensive. I'm sure you could find something similar from one of the estimable makers that you mention though.
     
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  3. bourbonbasted

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    I should clarify, I only listed out my staple work wardrobe. I really already have my off-the-clock wardrobe covered: 5-6 pairs of chinos in different colors, 5 pairs of shorts, 10 polo shirts, 10 OCBDs in varying weights, a bunch of t-shirts and 3-4 pairs of jeans. I also have a stable of more casual/beat up loafers and boots that are my go-tos.

    However, I really don't see a ton of virtue in having casual/weekend clothing made. I find my favorite casual shirts, pants and shoes are those that have moved from office wear to weekend wear as they have been beaten up. Plus, I feel the best casual wear comes from designers and not tailors. Just my $0.02.
     
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  4. Dewi

    Dewi Senior member

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    BB, I would like to be where you are in wardrobe building by this time next year. Though, I'd prefer to have 4 suits (navy fresco, charcoal, light grey, khaki - I have two of these already, and sadly not the staples), and I need to build up to 4 or 5 SCs. Are you doing yours mostly through Sid, or elsewhere?

    Is the construction on Sid's shirts less than desired? I've considered buying a few, though probably his OTR. That could be a bit off putting.

    I still need to catalog what I have, and then make my needs/wants list. Perhaps I'll do that this evening, after putting the crib together.
     


  5. cptjeff

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    My maroon and blue striped OCBDs get more wear than just about anything in my closet, aside from the plain white and blue. They're probably the first two patterned shirts I would suggest in any wardrobe- incredibly versatile, from a suit and tie to casual wear with jeans.

    Tattersall is nice to have too, but gingham is way down on the list.
     
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    I had my navy fresco MTM from Sid. Worked out great. As luck would have it I'm almost a perfect 42S in suits/SCs and M in shirts there OTR. So the MTM tweaks off of those patterns fits me about as well having my own pattern would. I plan on having 3-4 shirts and possibly a navy SC made by him this Fall.

    The construction of Sid's shirts certainly isn't terrible. However, by the standard of his pants and tailored wear, they leave a bit to the imagination. They certainly don't stack up to the higher-end Italian and British shirt makers. However, again, you're getting out of "quality" and into "luxury" when you get down to minute details. In terms of an office workhorse shirt, they do the trick. Plus, at $155 for MTM, they are quite reasonable.
     


  7. Louis XIV

    Louis XIV Senior member

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    Thanks a lot for your answers KObalto and unbelragazzo!
    So I'll definitely revive my Lendvay & Schwarcz.
    Regarding the GGs, they are definitely more than I can afford at this point but I agree, a split toe shoe would be a nice option to consider.

    EDIT:
    Found these which are quite nice:
    http://www.thearmourystore.com/shoes/carmina-brown-suede-double-monkstrap-robert-last-1960
    http://www.thearmourystore.com/shoes/carmina-dark-brown-split-toe-derby-alcudia-last
    http://www.thearmourystore.com/shoes/carmina-dark-tan-split-toe-derby-alcudia-last
     
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    :cheers:
     


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    OK, that makes much more sense than what I read into it first of all.

    Much appreciated again, BB.
     


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    Military watches aint really my thing, but I have a hard crush on 50s-60s 18K rose gold chronos. I had a 43mm Universal Geneve once, solid 18K, that needed a little TLC. I didn't have the time or money at the time, and wish I never sold it now. Would kill for one with a moon phase too.
     


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    unbelragazzo Jewfro Dubiously Honored

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    I don't get watches at all. Like, the whole thing. When I see people obsessing over watches, I start to understand how normal people feel when they see me obsessing over clothing.
     


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    Nice watches are pretty. People obsessing over movements and internal mechanics is techno-geekery. People insisting that only really expensive mechanical watches are worth buying are small minded snobs.

    Think of them as a practical way to quickly glance at the time (it's much quicker and easier to glance at a watch than to dig out a cell phone) rather than as jewelry to flaunt your wealth, and you'll do fine. You'll hear the watch as jewelry line a lot these days, and if that's the reason you wear a watch, you shouldn't be wearing a watch.
     
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  14. dieworkwear

    dieworkwear Senior member

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    I mean, someone could say the same thing about handmade shoes from Saint Crispin's. Or handmade tailored clothing from Savile Row.

    High end tailoring, shoemaking, or engineering isn't just about practical functions; you can appreciate these things as crafts. If you particularly don't care, that's fine, but that doesn't mean someone else is being a snob for liking something for its artisanal value. We don't value paintings because they fill up space on a plain white wall. We don't enjoy fine foods because they satiate hunger. And we don't wear handmade clothes or well made watches just because they make us look good, cover us from the elements, or tell us time (or, as you suggest, help us "flaunt our wealth").

    This kind of thinking - the pragmatic, commercially-minded approach to goods ("will this make me look good," "will it last long," "is it expensive," "will it perform some function") - is what created the downward spiral in craft that people on this forum so often like to lament.
     
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    Not really. Those fit better, look better, and have higher quality construction. Watches? A quartz looks exactly the same from the outside, requires less maintenance, and keeps better time. A mechanical watch gives literally no advantage other than the fascination of knowing, and occasionally, in a skeleton style, seeing little gears tick.

    I don't care about craft if it has no benefits. Do I want every part in my car to be handmade? No, I kinda like being able to get an off the shelf part and have it fit. Having computer controlled machines make those parts made cars easier and cheaper to repair, and allowed for more complex designs that made them better. Having computers help drive those cars has made them perform better. I have a Subaru Forester. 2001, 140kish miles. A 1920's Packard may get the mechanical geeks more excited, but the Subaru will kick its ass all across the continent any day of the week. The Packard is gonna break down every 20 miles, and probably won't last to 100k. The Subaru is a decent bet for at least 250k, and will be largely hassle free for most of that. And you know what? I'm perfectly okay with the fact that the craft involved went away.

    Saying you should buy an objectively inferior product for vastly more money is snobbery, absent some other preexisting motivation such as romance about a completely redundant technology. And it's a disturbingly common attitude on here- quite a few posters come here asking about getting a decent watch, post a picture or two of $100 watches, and at least three people will tell them that any watch that doesn't run $3k is crap and they should feel bad for even thinking about buying a quartz, because watches only exist to flaunt how much money you have to spend on a watch, though that part's not usually explicitly stated, just hinted at. And that attitude seriously offends me.

    Feel free to spend your money on whatever you like. Just don't expect me to be particularly impressed with the mechanical masterpiece you bought when I have something functionally identical, both in operation and appearance, for a fiftieth the price.
     


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