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Mayweather vs. Ortiz (post fight)

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by junior varsity, Sep 17, 2011.

  1. Mauro

    Mauro Senior member Affiliate Vendor

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    ^^or maybe boxing still offers hope to the minority it's supported by. The pay outs in boxing are so much better than MMA. It will change in about 10 years.
    If you think about the people that train MMA a lot are college educated. That's not the case with Boxing.
    If you have been to a boxing gym, you box , you get hit, it hurts. You have to spar to get better.
    Go a gym that teaches MMA. In most cases the gym offers BBJ, Wrestling, and striking. The people that want to fight, fight. However you can pick other disciplines if fighting isn't for you and you don't have to spar in the same manner as boxing.
    I know A LOT of world class grapplers that just don't like getting hit.Instead they grapple and are amazing at their sport however thy aren't getting hit and it's their choice. You don't have that in boxing.
     
  2. LawrenceMD

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    ^thats actually a great point, but thats where MMA is at a bit of disadvantage now, because there's almost too much to study/train for.... it actually even takes savvy fans to follow it (just like boxing).

    I like to think that comparing Boxing to MMA is like comparing skiing to snowboarding... they still take an equal amount of effort to enjoy and learn... but seem to create an exquisite antagonism to each other's practitioners..... even when there's room for both...

    its still superstar driven sports though..... we want to see superstars beat the shit out each other... wether it be with boxing gloves or in the octogon...

    personally i think boxing is just a better vehicle to deliver bloodlust to large crowds. you can feel the electric boxing crowds literally willing a boxer to kill an opponent... you can feel the racism/nationalism/hatred/bloodlust/death-wishes in boxing crowds. I'm sure its present in MMA fight crowds as well... but it just feels more potent in boxing crowds.
     
  3. TyCooN

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    I imagine MMA would be much more expensive to train for because there are many things to study for.

    Boxing is very affordable, so it's popular among those who live the "hard life".
     
  4. LA Guy

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    MMA crowds are a little more friendly, as are MMA gyms, actually. I think that it's because, despite the egos, you have to train in a variety of disciplines, and most guys have their niche, and can accept that other guys are better at other aspects of the sport. I do feel that the casual MMA fan seems to have less respect for the fighters than do boxing fans, and I think that that is due to ignorance. I have grappled with some of the top guys in the game (in practice, and they were really doing me a favor and showing me stuff) and let me tell you, being under Dan Henderson is no joke. That guy is strong like an ox. He could probably hold me down with one hand, real talk. I was on the bottom, in half guard, had the underhook, and could not even turn my body sideways to initiate the escape. But I hear guys who have never trained a day in their lives talking trash all the time. I never hear boxing fans say stuff like that.

    I also don't see nearly as much antagonism from MMA fans towards boxing fans as I do the other way around.
     
  5. LA Guy

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    It depends. If you are a decent prospect, you usually get reduced rates in return for services like teaching beginner classes. MMA training for the general public is much more expensive than is boxing though, yes, and there are "executive BJJ" classes, which cost a ton load, and are really there for general strength and conditioning. Those classes actually have little "open mat" time, and are often much more focused on technique and light sparring, because it's a ego crusher to go in for six months, and not getting a single submission, and getting crushed over and over again until you have some proficiency.
     
  6. LawrenceMD

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    its funny you mentioned dan henderson... because I used to follow him all the way back during his early early pride days (when he almost took out wanderlei silva during his unbeatable pride prime). the weird part part about henderson is that his least trained (even back during the early 2000's) skill was his most dangerous (his weirdly epic right hand/punching/potshot power).

    henderson always had the "Puncher's Chance" built into his fights.

    but mostly his fights were technical grappling fests that savvy fans truly appreciated, and his fights that ended in knock outs were kind of flukey wins/losses directly involvine his huge right hand.

    I realize Dan henderson eventually KTFO-ed wanderlei silva later in pride with that punching power (but the axe murderer was glass jawed by then from his own epic battles).

    and lastly with Dan Henderson? he was always a nice guy and never arrogant.... to bring it back around to Pretty Boy Floyd... PBF was legal and totally legit in his fight with ortiz... but he's such and asshole in every aspect that people just love to root for him to lose. I can see past PBF's asshole-ness... and see his genius in the ring...but damn it would be fun to have him lose that perfect record and eat crow.
     
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  7. LA Guy

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    Yup, a real class act, as was/is Wanderlei, glass jaw or not. Just because you are great doesn't mean you have to be a dick. It's pretty much the reason that people want to see Manny murder Floyd. It has nothing to do with race, whatever. It just has to do with the fact that one guy is always running his mouth, and seems to be running from this one fight, and the other guy is just a wierd but respectful guy,
     
  8. acidboy

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    boy you got that right

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  9. gort

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    I don't follow boxing. I watched the HBO 24/7 of Pacquiao/Margarito and it is just shocking to compare Pacquiao's behavior and demeanor to Floyd Mayweather. Mayweather is total scum and Pacquiao just seems like such a good guy.
     
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    I don't mind a boxer playing up the "bad guy" role. I think it's great for the sport. If there were only Manny's in boxing, it would be boring as hell. The problem with PBF is that he isn't a "bad" guy so much as a whiny, pompous jerk who seems uninterested in actually boxing, beyond making money and keeping his record intact.

    There have been plenty of complete assholes in sport who I would still pay to watch (Pete Rose and Roberto Alomar come to mind) because they played hard and they cared about playing well. PBF doesn't give a shit about the sport or the show, which is why I find his diehard fans so pathetic. They're like clueless girls who keep waiting for their boyfriend to call while he's out banging some other broad.
     
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    So basically you don't like him because he's a "bad guy". Say what you will about Money Mayweather, but he trains hard and comes prepared and in shape to every fight. During the 24/7 HBO show Ortiz was fishing and chilling with his boys. Wtf does that when they're about to be in their biggest fight of their career that will make or break their reputation.
     
  14. Lord-Barrington

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    Read what I wrote without making stuff up, if you please.

    I said I dislike him because he ducks fights, puts on a bad show (especially lately) and doesn't seem to give a damn that boxing is going to hell in a handbasket and that he has a lot to do with it. He's a guy that could have given us a 12 round display of boxing brilliance against Ortiz. Instead he ended the fight with a pathetic and totally unsporting punch. He's a guy that could have given us a dream matchup against Manny, why i believe he can beat, yet chose to give us a ridiculous sideshow involving random drug testing and beating up his girlfriend.

    As a fighter, I admire him tremendously. He trains his ass off and defensively he's without equal. Which is why his constant shenanigans and bullshit are even more frustrating.
     
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    Still manages to parry or block the left even while talking to the ref. Amazing ring awareness.
     
  16. Dashaansafin

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    When the hell is Pacquiao vs floyd going to happen?
     
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  18. gort

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    Being someone who doesn't follow boxing but watched the 24/7 series and the fight, seeing Mayweather with 50 cent and his stacks of money BS, as well as seeing footage of him lighting a $100 bill on fire was enough for me to lose any shred of respect for him. More of the latter than the former, as I'd say if he wants to play a game with his buddy 50 that's no a big deal it just agitated me seeing him run his mouth more about all his money (a little humility goes a long way IMHO), but lighting cash on fire is just....:fu:
     
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  19. Lord-Barrington

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    Believe me, due to his legal issues his stacks were starting to run low before he got back into the ring. Money needs to spend more time taking care of his cash and less time spending it on lawyers to defend him against domestic assault charges.
     
  20. Lord-Barrington

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    Never. Mayweathwer will never let this fight happen, period. He can say whatever he wants but I knew it would never, ever happen after he asked Pac's corner for a million concessions, which were for the most part agreed to, and he still backtracked.

    This fight will never happen, I guarantee it.
     

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