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Gin or vodka in a martini, which do you prefer and why? I prefer gin. I think Gin is an acquired taste, because alot my friends will order martinis with vodka and make disgusted faces when I ask for a martini with gin.
It is old school, but I think gin is the best way to make a martini.
 

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I used to drink gin and tonics and Tom Collins... 20+ years ago.

Now I enjoy rums and the occasional Ketel One or Grey Goose vodka martini.
Shaken until chilled, no vermouth, never dirty, and with at least 3 olives.

Salut !
 

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That's not a martini--that's some chilled vodka with some olives.
Old sport, aren't there cartoonish smiley faces you should be using to convey facetious intent...?

Please tell me you are not one of those "a real man doesn't eat quiche" type cacklers.

Salut !




Oh, before I forget...
 

ter1413

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That's not a martini--that's some chilled vodka with some olives.

Old sport, aren't there cartoonish smiley faces you should be using to convey facetious intent...?

Please tell me you are not one of those "a real man doesn't eat quiche" type cacklers.

Salut !




Oh, before I forget... :tounge:

:slapfight:
 

edinatlanta

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Old sport, aren't there cartoonish smiley faces you should be using to convey facetious intent...?

Please tell me you are not one of those "a real man doesn't eat quiche" type cacklers.

Salut !




Oh, before I forget... :tounge:

WTF?

How about instead of being a pretentious douche you review the ingredients for a martini... gin/vodka and vermouth. By ordering it without vermouth you just ordered 2 shots of vodka. A cocktail has to have to ingredients. So... yeah. Not a martini is what you drink.
 

Joffrey

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Plymouth Martini with a twist. Stirred not shaken.
 

Savile Row

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WTF?
How about instead of being a pretentious douche you review the ingredients for a martini... gin/vodka and vermouth. By ordering it without vermouth you just ordered 2 shots of vodka. A cocktail has to have to ingredients. So... yeah. Not a martini is what you drink.
Interesting... I clearly see my smiley face that implies facetious intent.
Can you not see it...?

Maybe it bears repeating, so here it is... again...
 

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I was looking for a quote from F. Scott Fitzgerald on vodka martinis, but came across this one, which sums it up nicely:

"Vodka may make a fine cocktail, but it does not make a martini."
 

patrickBOOTH

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Gin, always. Vodka is not a martini and I would even go as far to say that it is for tools that don't like the taste of real spirits. Vodka is flavorless and people who drink it have no taste and culture. Bam!

Old Raj all the way. Junipero is way too sweet if you ask me. Like candy. I always get mine extra dry and if the bar has good olives I get olives, if they have crap I get a twist.
 

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Gin, always. Vodka is not a martini and I would even go as far to say that it is for tools that don't like the taste of real spirits. Vodka is flavorless and people who drink it have no taste and culture. Bam!

Old Raj all the way. Junipero is way too sweet if you ask me. Like candy. I always get mine extra dry and if the bar has good olives I get olives, if they have crap I get a twist.

If you watch the video I kindly linked you will see you are correct in regards to a "vodka martini." The actual name is a "kangaroo kicker" or just "kicker." Of course everywhere has a "dirty vodka martini" these days and you are likely to get your real martini "dirty" if you do not specify. While I agree with everyone above that to call two shots of vodka put into a shaker as something hard to quantify as any type of martini that is actually pretty standard fair these days. It is sort of hard to take Mr. Row to task for only having the cocktail knowledge current trends have given him. I mean, notice he feels the need to tell us, "Never dirty?" Who would think of having to specify that? Not someone that has versed themselves in classic cocktail knowledge.

So what I'm saying is do not be too hard on folks with the knowledge current trends give them but instead help them learn.

Lastly, I will admit I enjoy the occasional "vodka martini" when I want something light. I do have to specify two parts vodka, one part vermouth to all bartenders that do not know though.
 

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If you watch the video I kindly linked you will see you are correct in regards to a "vodka martini." The actual name is a "kangaroo kicker" or just "kicker." Of course everywhere has a "dirty vodka martini" these days and you are likely to get your real martini "dirty" if you do not specify. While I agree with everyone above that to call two shots of vodka put into a shaker as something hard to quantify as any type of martini that is actually pretty standard fair these days. It is sort of hard to take Mr. Row to task for only having the cocktail knowledge current trends have given him. I mean, notice he feels the need to tell us, "Never dirty?" Who would think of having to specify that? Not someone that has versed themselves in classic cocktail knowledge.
So what I'm saying is do not be too hard on folks with the knowledge current trends give them but instead help them learn.
Lastly, I will admit I enjoy the occasional "vodka martini" when I want something light. I do have to specify two parts vodka, one part vermouth to all bartenders that do not know though.

I was discussing with Harvey_Birdman recently about how in so many places you have to tell the bartender NOT to shake your martini. It seems like they want to shake everything as a default.
 

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I was discussing with Harvey_Birdman recently about how in so many places you have to tell the bartender NOT to shake your martini. It seems like they want to shake everything as a default.

I specify exactly how I want it when I order. Harvey knows my stance on this.
 

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