Marinella 7-Fold

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  1. Hard2Fit

    Hard2Fit Senior member

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    Best silk, too, but alas, the designs ...

    Are these the same ties that are now available at Filene's Basement? Or does Bvlgari have two lines?
     
  2. Manton

    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Are these the same ties that are now available at Filene's Basement? Or does Bvlgari have two lines?
    Don't know, haven't been to a Filene's in ages. At the Bulgari shop on 5th Ave, there is only one line.
     
  3. Sam Hober

    Sam Hober Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I posted this question already on a different forum, but did not get a satisfying reply.[​IMG] Gentlemen, I was a little bit upset to read from the wonderful book on this Neapolitan tie-maker, that he is not doing real seven-folds anymore, because they are "too costly". What he is selling (RTW at least) is " an interpretation" of seven-fold. If he thinks a real seven-fold comes too expensive, what about Kiton, Attolini, etc.: are they offering real seven-folds or just their interpretations? Could anyone explain the differences between Marinella's version and a real one? Does anyone know if Marinella makes the traditional one bespokenly? For more information on Marinella visit: www.marinellanapoli.it Paul
    Paul, I have not read the book that you mention but it sounds very interesting, I never tire of reading the history of a family business. I wonder if the book was perhaps written in Italian and something was lost in the translation? The reason that I ask this is that we make unlined seven folds and lined six-folds daily and there is only a small difference in the cost to make them. The Italian style lined six-fold (sometimes known on forums as "double four-folds") is a very beautiful interpretation of an unlined seven-fold. Talbotts unlined seven-fold is very much a true seven-fold, and beautifully made. Very often you will hear that a true seven-fold is made from one piece of silk actually this is a bit of sartorial urban myth that gets spread around and repeated. Most silks are simply not wide enough to make a tie from one piece of silk. Typically English silks are 28" wide which is not wide enough to make a one-piece of silk seven-fold. Italian silks are often made in 140 centimeter widths which does allow for a one-piece seven-fold. As for the thickness of a silk used in an unlined seven-fold that is a matter of personal taste. However, from a practical point of view Will is 100% correct. I often ask our clients who order unlined seven-folds why they do so and the answers range from wanting to preserve an art to enjoying the complicated folds
     
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    itsstillmatt The Liberator Dubiously Honored

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    Just to show what a real 7 fold looks like: [​IMG]
     
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    Are Hermes ties seven-folds?
     
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    Manton RINO Dubiously Honored

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    Are Hermes ties seven-folds?
    No.
     
  7. Looking to improve

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    Does anyone know if Marinella makes the traditional one bespoke?
    I believe Marinella still makes bespoke 7-folds. At least a small cardboard sign in a showcase in their Milan store mentioned them, priced at around €130,=. I visited the store in May of this year. Also, T4 posted this thread about a bespoke Marinella 7-fold a little more than a year ago.
    And... you might try to contact TimMureau on http://www.stijlforum.nl. I believe he ordered some bespoke ties at the Marinella Milan store this year, but I'm uncertain whether any of them were 7-folds. He also posted about his order on stijlforum.nl!

    MtB
     
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    Just to show what a real 7 fold looks like: [​IMG]

    That LH tie has only 6 fold lines, while the one below has 9 fold lines if you look at it carefully. As to which is real 7-fold tie is beyond me.
     
  9. pemazel

    pemazel Active Member

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    Gentlemen,

    Your answers are very rewarding and informative: I am proud to be a, albeit junior, member of such a sophisticated community.

    Regards,

    Paul
    The Netherlands
     
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    The tie billed as a sevenfold by most of the Italian brands (Kiton, Borrelli etc.) is actually a lined sixfold.

    The lined sixfold is a better constructed necktie in most people's opinion. A true sevenfold tends to crumple at the tip, wrinkles like hell in the knot area, and lacks the weight to drape well.


    I think Will has this pegged very concisely. Aside from a Talbott or two that I have packed away somewhere, the only true seven-folds (understood in the usually imprecise way) in my collection are these two made in England for RLPL:

    [​IMG]

    immsmc, these ties are constructed in exactly the same manner as the Talbotts. The silk, however, is stiffer--which leads to the very problems Will outlines. The Talbotts tend to be made of a more fluid silk; they wrinkle less, but they also have a vintage look that can be difficult to wear if you're not out at a forties party. The RLPLs give off more of a 20s/30s vibe, so they don't seem so costumey (to me at least). I think I find myself in agreement with those who admire these ties more as beautiful objects--singular expressions of craftsmanship that needn't be draped around any actual necks. Though they certainly create their own aesthetic, I would be hard-pressed to label the true 7-fold the perfect tie.
    And in that spirit, iammatt, I must say the striped Rubinacci is extremely nice.
     
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    This is unnecessary. Don't do it again. Keep it to PM if you must.
     
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    Pejsek: Unless I am completely mistaken, those are a Spitalsfield and a Macclesfield. Gorgeous.
     
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    Pejsek: Unless I am completely mistaken, those are a Spitalsfield and a Macclesfield. Gorgeous.


    Monsieur le RJ is absolutely correct. Those ties are fab.
     
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    Thank you, RJman and FNB. One needs the occasional respite from a steady diet of scarf prints.
     
  15. pemazel

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    Thank you, RJman and FNB. One needs the occasional respite from a steady diet of scarf prints.

    Would you please be so kind to reveal where one could buy these lovely ties? I never ever saw them for sale in the Netherlands. Regards, Paul
     

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