I used the term "quality" to encompass objective factors. Aesthetics are completely subjective. It would have helped if you'd said this, and it would also have helped if you told us what these factors were. Further, do esthetic factors not figure at all in one's evaluation of quality? If you believe this, then your understanding of this concept and that of most of the rest of the world differ. And while you're at it, do tell us how you arrived at your quantitative comparison involving J&M, C&J Handgrades, and EG. Anyway, this is an internet message board, not a scientific journal dedicated to shoe quality. So that means that you can be imprecise and confusing?