Ah pfui. I rather think that many people who actually embody those characteristics don't even know it, due to the dilution and obfuscation of the concept of masculinity into Bubba, hippie, professional, metrosexual, and homosexual, combined with the revisionist tendency each group has upon the concept, as they all are trying to raise their concept of man and emasculate the other. "A man's first obligation is to his definition of the concept of manhood." Controlling the definition controlls the concept. Man, in an a priori sense, is defined by in terms of humanity, in comparison to animals, and relative to woman. I judge a man less on bluster and abilities, and more on character and restraint -- what he can, but chooses not, to do, and his relations with the women that are in or pass through his life. Breaking boulders is no measure of a man. Well-loved wife and kids must be the ultimate achievement, and respect the ultimate satisfaction. Regards, Huntsman I feel compelled to ask....without an ounce of disrespect......have you ever, even once, cracked a smile?