Made in China is now high end?

[chogall]

We also do it mostly outside of the country (e.g. Cuba) and we do it mostly to foreign nationals.
We also do it less often than the Chinese government, so we win

Of course. We do it much elegantly, trading privacy and liberty in the names of security.

And one thing that's very different in terms of governance; Chinese people had the bad habits of taking down establishments, 3.5 times in the past century. Anglo-American people are not known for revolutions and tend to tolerate more pain than, say, the Russians or the French.

 

[Eason]



Is this what the propaganda is telling you?

I can understand this view of some foreigners in China- most of the ones who are there for the long haul, for whatever reason, take this view. Trust me, you cannot live there otherwise, it will get to you.

 

[Catfish]

Try finding any sandwich makers, or toaster ovens, or kettles, or blenders, etc. which didn't come from China... good luck.

Dual-It toasters are made in the UK , bamix blenders are from Switzerland and the blender used on those "Will it blend" youtube videos is made in the U.S. Lehmans do a copper kettle that is made in Ohio , electric kettles and sandwich makers i haven't seen any not made in China recently but alot of places are moving manufacturing to Eastern Europe so they are closer to the EU market - Czech Republic , Poland etc those places are booming.I picked up a new Braun blender made in Czech R a few years back.

Of course move into the commercial quality realm and you have Hobart.
The products are there if you want them it just depends on how much you are willing to pay.

 

[A Guy from Shanghai]



It's most certainly NOT OK!, I'm just going by what I read in the news most days. BBC, CNN, AP, Reuters, Xinhua, Fox, etc.
Doesn't that sort of thing happen in the USA?
Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

Are you a "wu mao" ?


"Wu Mao" - 50 cent party

 

[Sator]

There is another problem with Made in China for me: ethical. When you pay a buck towards Chinese goods, a bit of that goes to the organisation that is responsible for the worst genocide in human history: the Chinese Communist Party. Mao is responsible for the murder of 49-78,000,000 people. They are far worse than the Nazis. There has never been a Krushev type of thaw in which the errors of the past have been acknowledge. No apologies, no expressions of regret, no reparation payments, no trials of those responsible. Worse still, human rights abuses continue in China on a major scale.
The fact that this is kept hush hush is a total scandal. It's like genocide is OK as long as you're not killing Jews and you can make a quick buck of out them.

You're like...50 years off.

That's like saying buying Hugo Boss and BMW means you're supporting the Nazis. The Maoist ideology is ancient.

Is it me who's 50 years or more off? The Nazis (National Socialist Party) were thrown out of power at the end of WWII. When you buy German goods a bit of your money does go to the German government, but that is currently Angela Merkel's democratically elected CDU. Not a single cent goes to the outlawed Nazi Party. The German government has paid countless millions in reparation payments. Official and unconditional apologies for crimes have been made. War criminals have been tried and hung.

In China the very same party which committed the genocide of the past remains in power, maintaining totalitarian rule over their people. And it is to this very Party that a bit of your money goes. Those currently holding power in the Chinese Communist regime often have a direct link to the Maoist past. No acknowledgement of the atrocities of the past have ever been made. No apologies have been made. Nobody has been brought to trial. No reparation payments have been made. The crimes against humanity continue. The Communist today are like murderers who have become successful businessmen. Does that excuse the mounting pile of skeletons in their closet? That includes the children who die of overwork in sweatshops, because independent unions are suppressed.

I guess some of you guys are too young to remember that for so many decades the Enemy Nr 1 was not Al Qaeda or the Taliban but the Commies. Next we'll all be embracing the virtues of militant Islam.

 

[add911_11]

WW Chan is made in 'China' and high end, isn't it?

 

[Sanguis Mortuum]



Anglo-American people are not known for revolutions

Right, because neither America or England have ever had any civil wars...?

 

[iroh]

While we are still on the hate China bandwagon I will post some pro-American propaganda: http://www.thefryecompany.com/leather-and-craftsmanship/

No doubt some of you will enjoy the above video, of course there is absolutely no reason why such boots cannot be made in China and still be of excellent quality.

So far on the American hate list we got: Black people, then Muslims, now the Chinese, so what is gonna be the next big thing?

 

[Fraiche]



Is it me who's 50 years or more off? The Nazis (National Socialist Party) were thrown out of power at the end of WWII. When you buy German goods a bit of your money does go to the German government, but that is currently Angela Merkel's democratically elected CDU. Not a single cent goes to the outlawed Nazi Party. The German government has paid countless millions in reparation payments. Official and unconditional apologies for crimes have been made. War criminals have been tried and hung.
In China the very same party which committed the genocide of the past remains in power, maintaining totalitarian rule over their people. And it is to this very Party that a bit of your money goes. Those currently holding power in the Chinese Communist regime often have a direct link to the Maoist past. No acknowledgement of the atrocities of the past have ever been made. No apologies have been made. Nobody has been brought to trial. No reparation payments have been made. The crimes against humanity continue. The Communist today are like murderers who have become successful businessmen. Does that excuse the mounting pile of skeletons in their closet? That includes the children who die of overwork in sweatshops, because independent unions are suppressed.
I guess some of you guys are too young to remember that for so many decades the Enemy Nr 1 was not Al Qaeda or the Taliban but the Commies. Next we'll all be embracing the virtues of militant Islam.

Trust me, I hate the Chinese government as much as the next guy.

At the same token, it's ignorant to call it the "Maoist regime" when there has been multiple leaders who have taken the leadership position the same way it would be ignorant to call us the "Truman regime". There's too much capitalism going on there that calling it communism is a joke.

The blame and criticism of what's happening today should be attributed to the party and people involved today, not 50 years ago.

 

[Gdot]

The Chinese government is certainly not Communist. Totalitarian Capitalist would probably be a more accurate label.

 

[Simon at Elite]

As this is my initial post pleased allow myself to introduce myself so there can be no confusion or chance of being accused of any deception. My name is Simon and I am the owner of elitesuits.com which is an online custom made clothing company.

Although based in Sydney Australia, we also have an office in Shanghai and people on the ground in Hong Kong, Singapore, Vietnam, Thailand and India. We claim that nobody knows Asian tailoring better than Elite Suits and it’s something I believe to be accurate and allows me some authority to comment on tailoring standards in China.. I come to the forum often but after reading this thread I was compelled to make my first comment.

To bring this thread back to high end clothing made in China, I thought I may share some of my experiences of my recent visit where I visited a number of tailoring factories in China. First off, the video that’s been posted on this thread a number of times may be one factory but it’s not typical of how suits are made in China. I visited three large factories and while I saw some of what is shown in the video, the typical Chinese factory isn’t as automated as you may think.

Labor is still cheap in China and accordingly the temptation to automate isn’t as strong. So what you tend to see at these factories is a production line with workers (80% plus female) sitting at sewing machines. One makes sleeves all day another pockets and so on. At the end you finish up with the completed suit.

I have bad news for some of you. I don’t care what the label on your suit says, there is a very high chance it was put together in China, if not fully completed then at least to baste stage. That suit you paid £5,000 for on Savile Row was actually made in China either HERE or one of the other high end tailoring houses in China.

We are slowly moving into high end suiting. Suits of this standard are fully hand stitched and never see a sewing machine at all. We contract three tailoring houses to make them on our behalf. These companies also contract out their services to bespoke tailors all over the world (including many in the USA). I visited all three companies in November and after seeing for myself how the suits are constructed, came way full of confidence for two reasons. The quality of tailoring is beyond reproach and the names on the labels of the finished products convinced me in was in excellent company. I was amazed at the well known names from all over the world, including a number of Savile Row tailors, who had their suits made at these places.

I agree there are some terrible tailors in China. A lot of them exist making suits for gullible foreigners who think they are getting a bargain but in reality are just getting a suit that’s just plain cheap in every sense of the word. However, it's unfair to judge all of Chinese tailoring by the suit you bought at the fabric markets for $80. If you know where to look there are some very good tailors that the locals use, although it's extremely rare for foreigners to find them. At the top end there are some magnificent tailors, skilled in making suits to the highest standards with their training conducted and overseen by Savile Row tailoring houses or in some cases, as in the link above, owned by tailors from the row.

As I said, you may be surprised where your last bespoke suit was actually made.

 

[Sator]



The blame and criticism of what's happening today should be attributed to the party and people involved today, not 50 years ago.

I don't believe there is any legal precedent anywhere that absolves a nation of past genocide just because there has been a change in the membership of the top leadership. Doubly so when the very same Party that committed the atrocities remains in power.

Both the German and Japanese governments have paid millions in reparation payments and have taken responsibility for their past well after the Nazi party and the Japanese Imperial militarist governments had been deposed from power. The Chinese themselves charge that the modern democratic Japanese government does too little to atone for the sins of their distant imperial past. Clearly, the Chinese themselves are the very last to believe that just because murder and genocide occurred over 50 years ago, that time has forgiven all sins.

A number of years ago a whole lot of Eastern Europeans who were forced to work in slave labour camps for the Nazis won a formal apology and reparations settlement against the German government. The question arises from time to time in Germany whether a formal apology should be made to gay and lesbian victims murdered in concentration camps. Even in Australia, the government recently made a formal apology to the native Aboriginals for human rights abuses committed in the distant past. Khrushchev too acknowledged the Soviet Union's dark past under Stalin, who became an evil pariah, and official monuments erected in his honour were removed: the Chinese Communist have never even so much as acknowledged the existence of untold suffering caused by Mao whose face continues to be displayed in "heroic" portraits glorifying him.

 

[Sanguis Mortuum]



That suit you paid £5,000 for on Savile Row was actually made in China either HERE or one of the other high end tailoring houses in China.

This is complete and utter bullshit. Lots of suits with 'Made In England' or especially 'Made In Italy' tags may have been made in China then only finished in the location on the tag, but Savile Row bespoke suits are all made by English tailors. Some of the houses have separate MTM operations, where the suits are made in the far east, but those do not cost anywhere near £5000.

 

[stevent]

This would be a thread.
But it's been discussed so many times it's really a waste to spend server / bandwidth on this thread. As well as my own time.

 

[ShayaEXQT]

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