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Mad Men Season 5

Discussion in 'Entertainment, Culture, and Sports' started by fwiffo, Mar 18, 2012.

  1. StephenHero

    StephenHero Senior member

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    Meh. I didn't get too into it, but it was a step up. Next week's episode looks pretty good.
     
  2. Imhoff

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    Great episode indeed! Roger had some great lines,the fight was a bit awkward but nice to have Lane grow a set, and I really liked that the episode focused on Pete and the changes his character is going through.

    Oh, and it was great not having that new guy in the episode, the one that Peggy hates.
     
  3. Manton

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    I don't mean to be a dick but how can you tell? I find Mad Men previews to be totally inscrutable.
     
  4. Piobaire

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    Excellent episode. It was funny, it had some new character insights, set up a few new plot lines, and let's face it...outside of the riding lawnmower and foot incident, the fight had to be the single best office scene in the series.

    Also, as "Handsome" put his hand up under the chippie's skirt, and Pete looked on through his battered face, all I could think of was Manton talking about PUA theory. ;)
     
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    Would agree, best episode of the season, in fact the only good episode of the season.

    Interesting observation above of Pete becoming Don.

    I thought the Ken Cosgrove angle was excellent, and the story narrated at the end was just fantastic. "The Man with the Miniature Orchestra", very well crafted, especially with the overlay of the music with the same tone it has from one of those cabinet stereos.

    Funny, there was one of those in my house when I was very young. I used to actually try and peer thru the grill looking for the musicians, but it was too dense and I couldnt see. So I would listen and imagine them in there.
     
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    exactly what my wife said
     
  7. Piobaire

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    Pete is not becoming Don. Pete wishes he could become Don but that closing scene i described above should indicate Pete has realized his inability to become Don. Roger said to Don at the whorehouse, "Even here you do better than us" or something to that effect indicating Don's continued alpha status. Peter can't even close with a highschool girl and displays every bit of his beta nature at driving school. Also, Don would not have pissed off Lane in the way Peter did ("He thinks you're a homo") and this demonstrates Peter's clumsy way of trying to assert himself.

    I think this might have been the turning point for Peter and his ever increasing hubris.
     
  8. gort

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    It's funny to watch Lane in Mad Men if you are also a Fringe Fan since he is on that show right now as the main villain they are after.

    Also, Ken's wife seems to be quite a bit older than him, no?
     
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    Funny, how in the first episode I considered Pete to be the up and comer. But it turns out he's just the same sleeze bag from season 1 but with a young family. Episode also made me see Don in a new light. It also confirmed for me that the business side of the show (whether it's pitches, or office politics) are its strong suit. Don't mind the family/personal side but sometimes I feel it drags - like who really cares about Sally Draper? I don't care that she wants to know about the serial killer on the loose. Etc. Anyway, a lot of fun as it's been a while since I've felt the need to replay certain parts of a MM episode.
     
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    Well, I brought up Chekhov's gun earlier in this thread, and I was totally expecting it to be used last night. In the scene after Pete got his ass handed to him where he was sitting in his dark office, I totally expected him to grab the rifle and go for Lane.
     
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    wonder if megan will be killed with all the references to serial killers and the fact that there is no way don will be this happy married guy all season.
     
  12. StephenHero

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    Betty wasn't in it, and every frame took place in either the office or a womin'z bedroom.
     
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    I think you're on to something. Obviously the show has referenced current events throughout and the killings were a big deal, but there has been to much mention of the gun for it not to come into play somehow.


    Even better was the scene at Pete's house where Don rips off his shirt, flexes, and fixes the faucet while Pete fumbles with his "tool."

    The fight had me laughing, Sterling is by far the most consistent bright spot on the show.
    Loved the world cup reference as well. "cup of what?"
     
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    "I know cooler heads should prevail, but am I the only one who wants to see this?" - Roger Sterling commenting before the fight

    :crackup:
     
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    Another excellent point. And don't forget all three women applauding Don for his "performance." I think much of the show was dedicated to re-affirming Don's alpha status and driving home Peter's beta-dom in several different plot threads.

    Peter did give me laughs when he had the hoe going through which fantasy routine she should play.
     
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    For those of you with a background in psychology consider that Pete is the epitomy of Adler's inferiority complex. He is constantly trying to use whatever power he can to upstage "dad" and reaffirm his place in the pecking order. It is obvious that his father never approved of his choice to enter the advertising world and he has been looking for a surrogate father to on the one hand lift him up (Don, Roger, Lane, lest we remember that Roger gave him a second lease on his job in season one and in season 3, Don and Roger came begging Pete to join them) and then on the other for him to "bring them down" and make them feel as small as he does on the inside. For instance, his crude attemps at humiliating Lane this week and Roger the week before (the plane statue unveiling, the reference to Lane as homo, all reeks of phallic symbols and the need to assert himself as "the man."). All this boils down to Pete wishing to be the "big daddy" but he is left feeling like a child. Nothing has ever satisfied him, not Trudy, not his daughter, not even being made a partner. He is always striving to be affirmed and made a "king." The fact he needs to pay a prostitue to do this, when Don (except for one occasion) has never had to pay for women to revel in his charm and looks, only reaffirms Peter's inner longing but outer hatred for Don in the awkward cab ride.


    Pete's attempt to win over the impressionable young girl at the driver's ed class suggests a complex dynamic within Pete. He loses out to "handsome" which is clearly a surrogate for Don and every other man in his life that has upstaged him. Notice that Pete looks at his muscles and crotch when "Handsome" is introduced. Pete longs to have "it" whether it be with women, in business, or in his family. He even has a strong reaction to being potentially labeled impotent in season 2 as an insult to his manhood. Even his offspring will long for this father figure, as he is clearly absent (I had not a thing to do with her, in reference to his daughter) from both of his children's lives literally and figuratively. It is the cycle repeating itself. He has no investment in real relationships aside from ones that reaffirm or deny his power and status in life, much like his father's original renunciation of his manhood (calling him a whore in season 2 discussing advertising).

    His attempts to literally ovetake and destroy "dad" have all ended in failure as well. His ttempt to blackmail Don, his attempt to take out Roger (who in a way has become more invested in his work than ever, at least for him), and literally being beaten up by Lane. When Pete says he "has nothing" at the end of the episode I believe he means he "is" nothing. He is not a man. He is a child who cannot even figure out his own plumbing. Much like the reference to Beethoven in Kosgrove's story, he lacks the ability to utilize his tools and is left fumbling in the dark alone and scared.

    I have way too much free time at work. sorry if this was boring to you guys and I do not blame you in the slightest for not reading it.
     
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  17. gort

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    The hooker Pete banged = :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:
     
  18. DocHolliday

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    Don's "country" sportcoat was good for an MC laugh.
     
  19. Piobaire

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    Did you catch Peter's tie?
     
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    AWWWWESOME episode...too much good stuff to cover.

    Loved when they were discussing the Univ Texas shooter and someone said his last name was "Whitmer"...Don quickly interrupted with "Whitman".

    I also missed this....

    mind. blown.
     
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