Wearing the copper chinos today. First impressions are overal good. They are thick. More so than I had anticipated. Fit is good...I may need to add a 1/4 to waist maybe becuase of the thickness of the material and maybe DAKS + Loops on the next chinos/khakis...otherwise measurements feel near perfect (need to take precise measurements this weekend). It seems there's an inner lining / band inside the waist that was also in the grey houndstooth. This was not in my first pair of pants and I'm curious about what it is. May have to PM Luxire about it. Well, it looks like I have effectively dialed in my dress and casual (khakis, etc) trouser measurements!!! Still not dialed in on shirts though, which was a surprise. I thought the pants wouls take longer but I have to say, Luxire is VERY GOOD at trousers. We'll see how they hold up in the long term but I wouldn't hesitate to pull trigger on the more expensive materials now.