Louis Vuitton Shirt

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Recoil, Aug 17, 2007.

  1. LabelKing

    LabelKing Senior member

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    Are you the same LVoer that runs this blog? Looks like a purse forum for guys. [​IMG] [​IMG]
    So much money spent, so little taste bought. The thought of a man using one of those women's "pochettes" is disturbing. And look at this monster: [​IMG]
     
  2. Recoil

    Recoil Senior member

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    Wear brands because you like them and/or they look good on you. Justification beyond this is usually hard to substantiate.

    I think I said this a few times already. I also stated that I obviously diden't buy them to show off as they are all very low-key compared to most LV items. The shoes, the ties, the shirt and the glasses are all obviously marked with LV symbols, but you'd never know what it was unless you knew the symbols and looked really close, most people would pass them over. I don't work in an office where people dress to impress, we're pretty casual as it gets.

    Seems like there is just a lot of LV haters on here that don't like it because it's trendy on here not to like them. Just like it's trendy to hate mainstream movies on indie movie forums, and trendy to hate factory sports cars on car modification forums. Of course no one will ever admit this, and always argue they don't like them for other reasons.

    I came on looking for opinions on the shirt compared to other similar brands, and pretentious indie brand lovers attacked me.
     
  3. Souper

    Souper Senior member

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    The people on this forum do not hold the brands you named in high regard in regards to their workmanship and quality. While they offer decent products, previous posters have pointed out that you're paying $500 for what should be a $300 shirt. Regardless of this, paying such a sum of money that makes you look like a fashion victim to any douchebag who can recognize the LV branding is ridiculous.

    I would hardly call Kiton, Borrelli, etcetera., "indie brands." They are high quality garment makers that offer superb workmanship in their products.

    You seem to dismiss this forum as a bunch of trend followers, when in reality it is gucci, prada, Louis vuitton and the like who's main line designers are heavily invested in fashion trends. The brands that this forum support are instead heavily focused on a classic, traditional aesthetic, with a few fashion forward flourishes, and an enormous amount of our interest is in quality of construction, whether we're discussing Shoes, Suits, or Shirts.

    You are probably the type of person who cannot enjoy fine champagne unless you hear about it in a rap video, cannot discern quality unless an ad guru hypnotizes you into believing it.

    You are poorly educated on the subject of high end men's clothing, and it shows in every post you make. I feel sorry for your ignorance, and it is obvious you have nothing to gain from this forum. Enjoy the rest of your stay, and I hope you don't return.

    As to the last comment on your last post: LV, Gucci and Prada are all around the same quality level. They are not top tier, it is ignorant to assume so.
     
  4. ghulkhan

    ghulkhan Senior member

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    I have one LV shirt. I really like it because of the styling. Not the craftsman ship. I have shirts that I like much more that Ive bought at half the price which are also probably better made. They def fit me better. This is at retail and sale prices.

    However I would have to agree with everyone here. Its more trendy to buy those brands such as LV and Gucci. Your trying to call the epople on the mens clothing forum some indie hipster like people because they like brands such as kiton or isaia but those arent really indie brands. You can buy them at a mall store such as Saks.

    Oh and I like Abercrombie and Fitch a lot because you can only buy it at Abercrombie and Fitch so its more exclusive in a way.
     
  5. Homme

    Homme Senior member

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    What did you think of Sydney ghulkan ?
     
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    Where's the watch? Oh wait, I forgot that we're in an age where watch quality=(number of exposed moving parts)x(how shiny the parts are)^(Swarovski)
     
  7. stickonatree

    stickonatree Senior member

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    i like how he picks and chooses random sentences to respond to, as opposed to responding to the real argument: refer to Souper's post.
     
  8. Recoil

    Recoil Senior member

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    The people on this forum do not hold the brands you named in high regard in regards to their workmanship and quality. While they offer decent products, previous posters have pointed out that you're paying $500 for what should be a $300 shirt. Regardless of this, paying such a sum of money that makes you look like a fashion victim to any douchebag who can recognize the LV branding is ridiculous.

    I would hardly call Kiton, Borrelli, etcetera., "indie brands." They are high quality garment makers that offer superb workmanship in their products.

    You seem to dismiss this forum as a bunch of trend followers, when in reality it is gucci, prada, Louis vuitton and the like who's main line designers are heavily invested in fashion trends. The brands that this forum support are instead heavily focused on a classic, traditional aesthetic, with a few fashion forward flourishes, and an enormous amount of our interest is in quality of construction, whether we're discussing Shoes, Suits, or Shirts.

    You are probably the type of person who cannot enjoy fine champagne unless you hear about it in a rap video, cannot discern quality unless an ad guru hypnotizes you into believing it.

    You are poorly educated on the subject of high end men's clothing, and it shows in every post you make. I feel sorry for your ignorance, and it is obvious you have nothing to gain from this forum. Enjoy the rest of your stay, and I hope you don't return.

    As to the last comment on your last post: LV, Gucci and Prada are all around the same quality level. They are not top tier, it is ignorant to assume so.


    The difference between you and I is that I understand your argument. Of course your going to argue you all like brands for XX reason, but I still see a lot of Group Think going on here. What your saying about my clothes is your opinion, and I understand that. What I'm saying, and what you don't understand, is that on niche forums like this (cars, clothes, fashion, movies, music) etc. is that most people are against mainstream brands. So this is a very trendy forum in a way that all its users grow to think alike about a niche segmet of the market.

    I have an interest in many things, and I've been on niche forums like this on many different subjects and I see it ALL THE TIME. If you liked the movie the Lord of the Rings and went on a movie discussion forum you'd get flamed like I did here becasue you liked something main steam. Do you understand yet??? There are people just like you guys on every niche forum on the net, people don't like things becasue others do like it, and they feel superior to be the "only people to really understand (insert any of the following : true cinema, proper automobiles, proper fashion, real music, etc. etc.) A lot of people DON'T like main stream stuff for the same reason a lot of people DO like main stream stuff, becasue its main stream.

    Your telling me to leave becasue I don't like the same brands as you? Get a life, friend. I came here to discuss fashion, I found a bunch of assholes who jumped on me becasue they diden't like my shirt, to which of course I'm going to retaliate. At the end of the day its all personal opinion anyway. If anyone here's opinion was worth more than mine they'd be selling it to a clothing company. Your all rehashing what others have told you. How many people on here are actually tailors or work front line in the fashion industry?

    I came on looking for infromation, and no one volunteered anything, only smart-ass comments and insults. Maybe you need to rethink your forums strategy in dealing with new members. You all sound pretentious. Honestly, look at what you all wrote to me. If you were really interested in discussing fashion you would have taken the time to discuss it with me.

    No one made a genuine effort as of yet.
     
  9. stickonatree

    stickonatree Senior member

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    ^lvoer, we're not trying to flame here. if anything, we'd like to help you. with that said, the "niche" of this forum is quality over brand names. of course we want design, but we prefer classic designs with great quality. that, is in essense i think, the "niche" of this forum. with THAT said, i think you're better off going to some other forum if you are looking for something trendy. this is a place for quality clothing, and we're not only saying that, but we can BACK THEM UP (such as with suits, we look for handpicking, hand-attached collars and hand-stitched sleeves, full canvassing, etc.).

    and it's not that we don't make an effort to "help" you. we are a forum based on quality, and the things you have listed simply aren't worth talking about IN THOSE REGARDS. please try to understand. this is as frustrating for us as it is for you. here's an analogy: a 16 year old kid comes up to you and tells you how exciting and fun it is to drive his mom's station wagon for the 1st time; obviously, you'll be thinking that of course that crap car isn't fun, and you'll try to introduce him to better cars. and it's not just because those other cars have a brand name appeal, it's because they have many justified qualities that can be backed up easily.

    so please, don't post again unless you have something constructive to say, because as you have experienced, it's not fun repeating ourselves over and over again. if you cannot justify quality over brand name, then this is not the forum for you.
     
  10. clintonf

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    Hi, I feel kinda compelled to comment (although I rarely do).

    I feel that the issue is with your original post was you assumed that people on this forum perceived quality in the same way as you (a common mistake for a "fashion conscious" person when joining this site).

    One of your recent statements atested to the like-mindedness of specialised forums. The concept of a forum would fail if there weren't enough like-minded people on it.

    Now, i'm a new member. I've been a "lurker" for a number of months and I feel that i'm learning new things with every post I read.

    Before I "discovered" sites such as this one (and Ask Andy About Clothes), I was under the impression that brands like Armani, Prada, Gucci and LV were at the pinnacle of quality.

    At the time of writing, I have around 12 Armani suits in my closet.

    Now, imagine the shock when I came onto these forums and heard what some of the members thought of Armani?

    However, I wanted to know why supposedly rational people would say such things about my "High quality brands of choice"?

    I have learnt a lot from this site, but the key to my learning is to try to remove emotion from what's being said (I know clothes are a very emotive thing as they can be used to define or categorise a person) and try to understand why it is being said.

    I have read your responses, and you have met with a tough crowd (some of you lot are hardcore [​IMG] ). However, you appear to be defending your choice of clothing (or designer) as opposed to defending the quality of the item (which is what's really being questioned here).

    Clothes quality can be a perception. However, it can be quantified by identifying the components and construction of the items.

    I'm not sure how much research on this site you conducted before making your first post, but were you aware that not so long ago, some members actually took penknife to cloth and dissected jackets simply to see how the jacket was constructed? This is how seriously members take quality of clothing here.

    Now, i'm not expecting anyone to back down from this. However, I would urge you to stick with this site and read some of the threads. You may be presented with a "different" perspective on clothing to the one you currently have.

    Since being on this site, i've still purchased Armani items, but I now KNOW what i'm paying for as opposed to assuming that i'm paying for "the best" simply because it has a high brand name on it.

    I've also purchased, Brioni, Oxxford, Canali, Truzzi, Isaia (and more) items which i'd never heard of before joining (not trying to be confrontational, but I wonder how many of these brands you have heard of or experienced?)

    So, to conclude, please try and see beyond the "personal attack" defence mechanism we all have and try to understand the perspective being conveyed here by the members.

    Alternatively, you can just tell me to go f**k myself [​IMG]

    Clint
     
  11. Shirtmaven

    Shirtmaven Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    LV maybe had 500 yards of the logo star Jacquard woven. that means, world wide there are about 250-275 shirts.
    Yes your shirt is a limited run. and those who are impressed by the LV label will be equally as impressed.

    there is a mill in como. that will weave as little as 25 yards of my own jacquard design. the exclusivity would be increadable as would the cost.
    they did have impressive samples of work that had done for D & G, gaultier, etc

    so if you wanted something truly exclusive. you could come up with a design, have it made up as the perfect fitting shirt, and then burn the rest.

    the high fashion brands all have huge advertising budgets. How do you think they pay for those.

    that special shirt of yours cost LV, no more then $45 for fabric and direct labor, If that much. How much did you pay for that shirt?
    I really do not want to know the answer.

    carl
     
  12. rach2jlc

    rach2jlc Prof. Fabulous Dubiously Honored

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    +1 Carl, stickonatree, souper.

    As for the OP... ugh...where's that "banging head against the wall" smiley.

    It's obvious LVoer isn't even reading our posts or anything on this forum and his responses show it clearly (exactly as souper mentioned). Op then says "no one has made a genuine effort" to answer his question just because nobody has agreed with him and said, "You are the smartest human being on earth for buying LV. They are a wonderful brand and worth every damn nickel you spent."

    If it will make him disappear, I will be the first to say, "You are the smartest human being on earth for buying LV. They are a wonderful brand and worth every damn nickel you spent." Let's all join in the chorus... and then edit out posts when he's gone.
     
  13. SoCal2NYC

    SoCal2NYC Fashion Hayzus

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    Are you talking USD? All the ones that I see, barring those made in an exotic leather, are in the $550-700 price range. LV has positioned itself somewhere between Gucci/Prada/etc. and Hermes, so a starting range of $900... unless it was a special range or limited edition model...

    I think it is called the "Heritage" line or something like that supposedly with some hand finishing and Goodyear components.
     
  14. SoCal2NYC

    SoCal2NYC Fashion Hayzus

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    2003 and 2004 were my years where I spent $$$$$ at LV (to the point that the store manager of the Rodeo Dr. store would personaly come say hi to me, let me use the VIP fitting room/kitchen, invited to all the events). That is still a time when even fashionistas would be like "Louis Vuitton makes clothes" and there wasn't a single monogram on ANY article of clothing.
     
  15. rach2jlc

    rach2jlc Prof. Fabulous Dubiously Honored

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    2003 and 2004 were my years where I spent $$$$$ at LV (to the point that the store manager of the Rodeo Dr. store would personaly come say hi to me, let me use the VIP fitting room/kitchen, invited to all the events). That is still a time when even fashionistas would be like "Louis Vuitton makes clothes" and there wasn't a single monogram on ANY article of clothing.

    From time to time, LV definitely puts out a decent collection (I remember the collections you mention... wasn't one of them the Nuryev influenced collection with lots of superlux furs and ostrich skins and such?) Nevertheless, that's really not what is at issue with the OP.

    ANyway, LV still has no real established menswear aeshetic... they are predominantly a bag maker, after all... so the collections are always across the board. A single look never really says, "AH, that's LV!" in a subtle way that, perhaps, one could say, "Ah, that's Jil Sander" or "Ah, that's Valentino." This season, for example, LV has these neon colored patent and plasticky velcro sneakers and such (trying to pick up after Lanvin made them popular last season). Yikes!
     

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