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Lotuff & Clegg Bags?

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Lawfor, Sep 22, 2011.

  1. Lawfor

    Lawfor Well-Known Member

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    For those bag-obsessed among us, has anyone actually bought one of their bags or handled one? I have found quite a few reviews online but they all appear to be marketing and have yet to find any real-world feedback. I would be very interested to see a review if anyone has purchased one.

    Thanks.
     
  2. yarnsforth

    yarnsforth Well-Known Member

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  3. ThinkDerm

    ThinkDerm Well-Known Member

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    dieworkwear.com had something about this bag before on the blog, they got it free.
     
  4. Medwed

    Medwed Well-Known Member

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    They re-designed their website and raised prices 20% at least. I was considering their duffel bag but decided that the leather they use is more suitable for women's or messenger bags. I also don't appreciate unlined bags as leather fuzz will be getting into my electronics and optics (not a good thing). I decided that for travel leather bag I will only consider belting leather (Tramontano, Glazer designs).
     
  5. ThinkDerm

    ThinkDerm Well-Known Member

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    Glazer bags are great, but are they lined?

    The Lotuff and Clegg stuff - I understand they raised their pricing. They took a bunch of new photos and someone has to pay for that.
     
  6. gentpax

    gentpax Well-Known Member

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    Current Glaser bags are generally nylon lined. If I recall from our conversations before he made me a duffel, I believe Myron prefers that over cotton because it handles moisture better.
     
  7. Berkshire

    Berkshire New Member

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    Gentle Readers,
    It is with some trepidation that I write you today as one of the founders of Lotuff & Clegg. Reading this forum and others like it introduced me to the nuances of bespoke tailoring and shoes. While I have never contributed here it is through these forums that I found my tailor and shoe maker. I've seen flame outs and successes while learning much from the members here. In fact my interaction on these forums inspired me to start this company.
    Our goal is to make what we like while we work to perfect our product and our company over time. Perfection is impossible and we work one step at a time to honorably serve those who share our ideals and aesthetic. In a way I am surprised we came so quickly to be noticed; recognition is a double edged blade.
    What we are presenting is an incomplete company but a concept we hope to build upon. Some of our items, while not for everyone have attained some small commercial success; that is we have orders, have made shipments and have mostly happy customers. The key things such as the leather, construction and finishing techniques have been for the most part well received.
    We have struggled with the exact sizing of some items, for example some feel that the flap over document case is rather larger than necessary, the same may be said about other items such as the trunk duffle. We will offer more than one size in each item.
    Another issue is the relatively unstructured nature of our product, no fillers or stiffeners. I liken it to the difference between Anderson & Shepherd and early Huntsman; where one is designed with softer construction though still traditionally built, thats us; while the other is, or could be, more stiffly constructed. Both are outstanding examples of Savile Row tailoring, both are distinctive and obviously well made, yet they are different. Horses for courses. We like the way our items are constructed and understand that they may not be for everyone. I can live with that and I'm comfortable with the choice we offer to potential patrons.
    The other issue often mentioned is our price point. Our products are relatively expensive and we think they are also a value. The workmanship, leather and hardware are of excellent quality, though I admit we continue to improve quality as we get deeper into our craft and learn from customer feedback. The fact is we are producing items in a time and material consuming way. The materials are relatively rare, the skill necessary to give life to these products is rarer still. At this point we can not keep up with demand. The surest way to reduce demand is to raise price and we have done so to better serve our clients, preserve our quality and to develop more capacity over time. We are in a delicate position and the worst thing for us is to press too hard on production at this point. The worst PR mistake we can make is to have a ton of vexed people out there waiting for an item they expected months ago (we do have a few of these and they have for the most part been understanding).
    We are running a lean operation: the website is developed in house as are the photos on the site. These are all friends and family in locations where we live and with items we own. All of the marketing is outreach by us and we do not pay for reviews. We will be shooting our next fall pictures at the Head of the Charles and in central Massachusetts next weekend, on the Eastern Shore of Maryland in November. This winter we will shoot a ski weekend in Stowe, Vermont, off to Nassau this Spring and back to Cape Cod next summer. The idea is to show our items in places we feel most comfortable, where they were designed to be. In any case all it takes is a nice camera and some friends willing to "sing for their supper" as we will be at these locations with our product whether we take pictures or not.
    We have invested in people, both on the shop floor and on the administrative team. We invest in marketing to support Manufacturing and in administration to serve our customers the way we would like to be served. We will continue to invest in developing and refining useful items and we value your criticism even thought it hurts just a bit. Humility is a recurring lesson until it is learned.
    Thank you for providing this opportunity.
    Sincerely,
    Joe Lotuff
    lotuffclegg.com
     
  8. Makoto Chan

    Makoto Chan Well-Known Member

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    Real world feedback here.

    I have an L&C English briefcase, and I couldn't be happier with it. It was expensive but in my opinion (like Joe says above) it's worth it. I asked for some customization of the bag and they were very accommodating. I sent them some pictures of how I wanted a different pocket arrangment, and I asked for my initials embossed on the back. They were real cool about everything over e-mail.

    I've been meaning to post some pictures and/or a brief review, just for the sake of those interested such as the OP (although the Die Workwear review was very good. If I'm not mistaken, he was loaned the bag and then decided to buy it. He didn't get it for free) . I've had mine for about 4 or 5 months now and it's breaking in very well.
     
  9. dieworkwear

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    I wish I got it for free.

    Some other seasoned member on here once said he thought I was getting all sorts of high-end products for free. This is definitely not true. I've gotten a few things here and there, but they've all been small items - NATO watch bands, a few dress-shirts, some bracelets. Maybe one day someone will magically gift me some really high-end item, but all the nice items I've handled so far I've had to return. I couldn't return the Lotuff & Clegg bag because it was too nice, so I bought it. Note, this was their "media bag" - the bag used to send to all the media people - and even in its fairly used condition it was impressive.

    Anyway, here is my review. It's an excellent bag. There are nicer bags on the market (SAB, for example), but I'm quite happy with my briefcase. The pictures on their website are very accurate and so is Joe's description above. If you have a chance to handle it, I very much recommend it.

    Lastly, as for leather "fuzz" coming off onto your items, that certainly hasn't happened to me. Really, I have nothing bad to say about my experience, only good things. It was expensive, but it's easily the best bag I've owned.
     
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  10. Chips

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    I've been off the forum as far as posting goes, for about the whole year so far. Snagging an incredible Glaser Designs Bag off of eBay brought me back to the forum to post about it.

    The seller was local here in San Francisco, and is a good friend of Myrons. I got a nice tidbit of history on his amazing craftsmanship. I feel that his work belongs at the top tier of makers. What the gentleman posted above about the rarity of skilled hands, and rarity of fine raw materials mimic nearly identically what Myron Glaser spoke of when he gave us here on the forum a private tour of his amazing workshop. I would only hope others would come along side a maker like him, acquire his level of passion, dedication and skill to make these sorts of things, because I think at this level of craftsmanship, it's a dying art.

    www.glaserdesigns.com would certainly be worth a look. I will post some nice detailed photo's of mine that I just acquired a few hours ago, later on Friday. It does have the nylon lining, and its solid and intact and completely free of any odor.

    My only fear is the certainty that now owning one of his fine duffel bags will no doubt draw me in, to purchase a slightly customized flap over briefcase. His work is absolutely stunning, and I'm fortunate to be able to be in the same city as he is.

    Regards,
     
  11. TheBeltGuy23

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    While viewing LotuffandClegg's website today I noticed a change. LotuffandClegg no longer had Clegg in their name? Why is Clegg not their? Frank Clegg is the leather artisan who has been making and designing their bags in Massachusetts. So what happened to Clegg? After along day at work I spent my time on the train figuring out what happened. I typed in who is Frank Clegg on google search and noticed he had his own website with identical products and even more of a collection? The website is FrankCleggLeatherworks.com the products are some what cheaper too. Can anyone tell me what happened to my favorite company?
     
  12. Chiguy

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    I received an email from Frank Clegg today and found out that he is on his own now. Did it have something to do with Lotuff & Clegg going to Barney's and Mr. Porter? Someone let me know.

    On another note, I have both the Signature Duffle from Lotuff & Clegg, and the large duffle from Glazer Designs, and I much prefer the Glazer duffle. It's lined, and it has an incredible feel. I eventually gave the Lotuff & Clegg to my wife. She likes it, but then again, I could've given her a Coach bag and she wouldn't know the difference.

    So, for what it's worth, if you have a choice, go with the Glaze Designs duffle.
     
  13. Chiguy

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    I received an email from Frank Clegg today and found out that he is on his own now. Did it have something to do with Lotuff & Clegg going to Barney's and Mr. Porter? Someone let me know.

    On another note, I have both the Signature Duffle from Lotuff & Clegg, and the large duffle from Glazer Designs, and I much prefer the Glazer duffle. It's lined, and it has an incredible feel. I eventually gave the Lotuff & Clegg to my wife. She likes it, but then again, I could've given her a Coach bag and she wouldn't know the difference.

    So, for what it's worth, if you have a choice, go with the Glaze Designs duffle.
     
  14. TheBeltGuy23

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    I received an email from Frank Clegg also. I believe he moved on because of the Lotuffs but I really don't know what happened. I don't think its because they went into Barney's. They are in Mr. Porter? Also I don't think it is right that the Lotuff's break up from Clegg and then steal his whole collection. If I was a designer I would be BULLSH*T. Also I received a shrunken duffle from Clegg a few months ago and it is lined and is amazing. In my eyes he is one of the best around. I will look into the Glaze Designs duffle I haven't seen one yet.

    Thanks,


    Jim
     
  15. ray garson

    ray garson New Member

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    Hi i can actually help i heard the reason why clegg broke off from the lotuff is because they took his bags to another manufacturing company to be produced and continue to use his designs some people have no Dignity! shame on them....but frank has been pumping out many new designs and offers lining in almost any bag if noted hope that helps!!

    -ray
     
  16. Annadale

    Annadale Well-Known Member

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    I'll bet you they are outsourcing to China now. Clegg probably looked after manufacturing, and he has been bought/forced out to make more profit from foreign made goods.
     
  17. Superfluous

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    Now it is: Lotuff vs Clegg. Who wins?
     
  18. ray garson

    ray garson New Member

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    Well hands down Clegg is the winner look at his product line in a matter of a few months he has come up with so many new designs he has the talent in this business and without it i cant see them going far without clegg to design and manufacture and how can the lotuffs even still be making the bags designed by frank...if you are gonna leave at least come up with your own designs!

    -Ray
     
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  19. Love Street

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    I too am curious about the story behind this split. I discovered Lotuff and then Frank Clegg because I saw the Lotuff bag on Barney's. Lotuff's marketing is certainly beautiful (great website and photos), but I notice their "about us" page makes no reference to their prior partnership with Clegg, and I would feel a little uncomfortable buying from them if there was anything unethical going on. Clegg's prices are better for what looks like comparable leather, and he's clearly a longtime craftsman of beautiful pieces. That said, I wouldn't have even discovered these (for a while anyway) if Lotuff hadn't been on Barney's site, and they have a couple of offerings that Clegg's site doesn't have (like the Lock Briefcase) - it's just the English briefcase and travel duffles that give me pause. Anyone know the story or whether they parted ways amicably?
     
  20. frankclegg

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    I am the designer and manufacturer of the "lock briefcase" as well as all the products you see on my website. All Lotuff and Clegg products were made by my team in my workshop. Most of these designs I have been producing for over 35 years. The split is a very delicate subject to me and I wish not to talk about it for a number of reasons. If you wish to buy an original Frank Clegg bag you know where to find me!

    Thank you,
    Frank
     

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