Lobb seconds on ebay

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  1. TimelessRider

    TimelessRider Senior member

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    Sweet looking pair. Too big for me and has a slight blemish. I would get more pics before making a serious bid. Auction link
     
  2. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    The seller is very confused with some of their info but they are great shoes still. They have the "bootmaker" sole and would run $950-$1050 at retail.
     
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    bengal-stripe Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Can you blame them? It is somewhat absurd to have two firms by the same name and dealing in the same merchandise. These shoes are John Lobb (Paris) RTW, but the description refers to John Lobb (London) who only produces bespoke shoes costing $ 3000+. Here is the real McCoy: a pair of bespoke John Lobb (London) shoes. If you ordered them today, they would be in that price league. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws....ry=1150 2 Question to T4phage: How does John Lobb (Paris) sign their name in a bespoke pair.
     
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    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    Not to usurp T4Phage as I've only seen three pairs, but the ones I've seen simply had "John Lobb" written (embossed) on the insole cover in sort of a cursive script.
     
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    I genuinely thought they were John Lobb London. Thanks for the clarification.
     
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    Those John Lobb Paris that I've seen are, as Mr. Harris said, simply 'signed' in script.
     
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    Originally posted by Bengal-Stripe:
    I second and third the replies of A.Harris and naturlaut: signed in script.
     
  8. A Harris

    A Harris Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I shouldn't be critical - I remember writing a similarly incorrect auction for a RTW Huntsman blazer that I thought was bespoke. I didn't know better at that point. In fact plenty of my old (3 years old) auctions cause me to blush at my own ignorance. Fortunately my customers at that point were similarly ignorant and therefore happy with the merchandise...
     
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    Please forgive my ignorance in asking the following question:

    Is there a Lobb London Ready to Wear line of shoes?  I've always beleived that the RTW's were all by Lobb Paris.  The one RTW that I have is the double monk "William", and it is made in France (with the JL John Lobb stamped inside).

    If there is, who retails them? Hermes?  How can you tell the differences between the two RTW's?  All Lobb RTW's I've seen has the "JL John Lobb" inside.

    How would the two compare in price and quality? I paid about Euro 700 for the William.
     
  10. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    John Lobb (London) does not produce or distribute any RTW shoes. Nor do they use their name or sell any product outside the St James shop. I presume that is part of the contract with Hermes when Lobb sold its French branch (and I presume, worldwide exploitation of the name) to Hermes in 1976. According to Flusser, Lobb (Paris) didn't rush to enter the RTW market. They had Edward Green in Northampton making their shoes. Later in 1994 (maybe EG was in financial difficulties) they bought "Westminster Works" the Edward Green factory, renaming it JL (just the letters). JL made John Lobb and Edward Green shoes. In about 1996 did Edward Green leave the factory and set up its own production facilities at their current address "Chelsea Workshop" in Cowper Street, Northampton. I do not know, what happened between the two companies; they are both quite coy when asked and say: "We shared production facilities." Are you sure that your pair of "Williams" is RTW and that it was made in France? Although some of the casual styles are made by Heschung in France, as far as I know, all the dress shoes are made in Northampton. The logo JL, same typeface, back to back, is used by John Lobb (Paris) in their RTW shoes but not by Lobb (London). Also on all their accessories and care products. http://www.johnlobb.com/ To come back to the bespoke JohnLobb (Paris) shoes, do they use the same (Victorian, I presume) signature as John Lobb (London), but without the Royal Warrants? Even more confusing.
     
  11. jss16jss

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    John Lobb London made me the exact pair of shoes shown in Bengal Stripe's link.  They happily reside in my closet with their relatives.  This is the second pair Lobb made for me and were made in 1969.  They still look great and fit perfectly.
     
  12. T4phage

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    Originally posted by Bengal-Stripe:
    Yes, they are RTW, I only assumed it was made in France since I bought it from their store in Paris.

    So, most JL dress shoes are made in England, while the more casual shoes (boots etc) are made by Heschung?

    That means I will never buy their RTW boots cause I so hate Heschung.
     
  13. bengal-stripe

    bengal-stripe Senior member Dubiously Honored

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    I think there are only a few models in the Lobb collection, which are made by Heschung and they feature (mostly or even always) a Norwegian welt. In autumn/winter 2003 his would have been the boots "Coldstream" and "Kelso", while the boots "Hunter" and "Richard" are Northampton made.
     
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    I wouldn't go so far as that. The Heschung-made Lobbs are easy to spot, both by their construction and their price.
     

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