I'll start by saying that this is not an aportnoy shoe damage thread. This is more like the very poor cousin of the aportnoy shoe threads. Anyway, Herring Shoes carries Loake and Church seconds and I was looking for an everyday, workshorse shoe so I figured I tried their 1880 Loake seconds. I had read on AAAC that their seconds were, for the most part, shoes with the most minor of cosmetic issues, if any at all. I ordered a pair of "Twynings" (according to AAAC, these are Durhams, but were made for Tyrwhitt) and a pair of Norwichs. The Twynings had a very minor loose stitch on the tongue and the Norwichs had a small surface scuff on the back which quickle came off with polish. Other than that, the shoes are brand newand I had to really look for those flaws to find them. All in, after Mark Herring was kind enough to accomodate me with a lower shipping than what is stated on his site, the shoes were $220 right to my doorstep. Shipped Thursday, arrived today. It's about an $80-100 or so savings from the Tywhitt 50% off sale. Here are the pics: The Norwichs side by side with the C&J Weymouths. The Weymouths are much more elegant and the construction cleaner but the Loakes definitely hold their own and any differences in the leather are almost imperceptable. Not bad for a $110 shoe.