Sorry for the double post, but i wanted to find out some stuff about these so i could possibly order them before they took the deal off. I didn't see the raw 514s at macys while i was at the horrible gainesville mall, but i did try on the pacsun soft rinse 514s. The coloring is actually pretty nice and it's red tab and the quality felt pretty decent(not too cheap at least. It was my first time trying on the 514s and i liked them except they didn't have my inseam because i need a 34. I think i'd rather have the raw ones for 16 dollars less, them being raw and all. I'm still not sure what waist size to get though. The 31s fit perfect on my waist and seat, but i felt like they looked a bit tight in the leg when walking. The 32s didn't fit as snug as the 31s, but still fit good. I was just worrying about stretching. They don't carry 31x34s on the macy's site. If i got 32/34, do you think they'd stretch out too much, or would there be a way to do a slight shrinking in the waist with a inside out cold or warm soak or something?