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Let's Talk About Replica Watches...

Discussion in 'Classic Menswear' started by Pastafarian, Sep 30, 2010.

  1. Sartorial1

    Sartorial1 Senior member

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    Let's talk about replica watches.

    Let's not.
     
  2. CDFS

    CDFS Senior member

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    Let's talk about replica watches.

    Let's not.


    Way to go letting this thread die[​IMG]
     
  3. alexanderr

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    How passionate people get about fakes shows why Rolex IS about status. Fakes diminish how 'exclusive' Rolex is and undermine its reputation. At this point unless you are over 35 and look white collar most people will assume it's fake (chances are it is..) This is the only and true argument, your investment of 5k or 20k is being compromised by people who gain the same utility (in an economic sense, an item projecting a certain reputation or class or w.e you call it.) at a fraction of the cost, as supply rises, price falls. No, maybe not real price, but value certainly does. Let's look at other arguments, they all stem from how people feel about the first part of its post because otherwise they are plain silly. Fakes don't last as long. - first of all this is questionable, but even lets say it is not. A 200$ fake will surely last you at least a few years (ask any owner of a non-shit fake.) A real watch can last you say 10 years + . If you simply replace your fake a few times you will not only save money per times used (240x4 vs 3k ), dents and damage accumulated will also not scar your watch for life. This arguments provides NO rational logic, only emotional anger. Fakes don't look as good - Most fakes probably don't. Look on any popular news website and you'll find a ton of links of fakes that nobody can tell apart short of Rolex itself. Good fakes DO exist (look it up,) so anyone willing to look can find one. You have to lie to others and yourself - First of all anyone who asks such a ridiculous question as 'is this real or what' deserves to be told to go to hell. Really though why should you or anyone else care about how other people feel? If the feeling of others on the subject offends you it is not their problem. Just as we all have irrational beliefs and different (often unjustified) religious views, someone not prescribed to advertising incited ethics should not concern you. Can't afford it don't wear it - this is a good one since it's basically an argument by those who are angry but can't find a half-ass argument to put forward. Cliche much? You are not saying anything, or contributing to the debate. You just don't like fakes. Kudos. Good watches are worth collecting, and are much better - probably true, enjoy collecting great (and expensive watches.) There is no reason you should feel anger at anyone not sharing your view since you are in it for the quality, and quality is not affected by others buying fakes (if you buy retail.) You know what is affected? Reputation, but it's not about it right?
     
  4. TRINI

    TRINI Senior member

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    How passionate people get about fakes shows why Rolex IS about status.

    Or maybe people just don't like being fake.
     
  5. ginlimetonic

    ginlimetonic Senior member

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    How passionate people get about fakes shows why Rolex IS about status. Fakes diminish how 'exclusive' Rolex is and undermine its reputation. At this point unless you are over 35 and look white collar most people will assume it's fake (chances are it is..) This is the only and true argument, your investment of 5k or 20k is being compromised by people who gain the same utility (in an economic sense, an item projecting a certain reputation or class or w.e you call it.) at a fraction of the cost, as supply rises, price falls. No, maybe not real price, but value certainly does.

    Let's look at other arguments, they all stem from how people feel about the first part of its post because otherwise they are plain silly.

    Fakes don't last as long. - first of all this is questionable, but even lets say it is not. A 200$ fake will surely last you at least a few years (ask any owner of a non-shit fake.) A real watch can last you say 10 years + . If you simply replace your fake a few times you will not only save money per times used (240x4 vs 3k ), dents and damage accumulated will also not scar your watch for life. This arguments provides NO rational logic, only emotional anger.

    Fakes don't look as good
    - Most fakes probably don't. Look on any popular news website and you'll find a ton of links of fakes that nobody can tell apart short of Rolex itself. Good fakes DO exist (look it up,) so anyone willing to look can find one.

    You have to lie to others and yourself
    - First of all anyone who asks such a ridiculous question as 'is this real or what' deserves to be told to go to hell. Really though why should you or anyone else care about how other people feel? If the feeling of others on the subject offends you it is not their problem. Just as we all have irrational beliefs and different (often unjustified) religious views, someone not prescribed to advertising incited ethics should not concern you.

    Can't afford it don't wear it
    - this is a good one since it's basically an argument by those who are angry but can't find a half-ass argument to put forward. Cliche much? You are not saying anything, or contributing to the debate. You just don't like fakes. Kudos.

    Good watches are worth collecting, and are much better - probably true, enjoy collecting great (and expensive watches.) There is no reason you should feel anger at anyone not sharing your view since you are in it for the quality, and quality is not affected by others buying fakes (if you buy retail.) You know what is affected? Reputation, but it's not about it right?


    who thinks this guy is a DB? Rolex ain't got no love here bro[​IMG]
     
  6. howardu09

    howardu09 Senior member

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    Fakes are for fakes and just plain tacky. Buy an authentic Invicta instead of a counterfeit Rolex. They're actually really nice watches. Someone will eventually call you out and the embarrassment isn't worth the savings if you care at all about your reputation.
     
  7. Mr. Lee

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    Answers are:
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    2. Wrong
    3. Who cares? (Although the quartz movement will probably keep better time.)
     
  8. JayJay

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    At dinner with colleagues a couple of nights ago one was boasting about a new fake Tag he bought in China at a bargain, $35.00, IIRC. I guess he thought we would be impressed. Ironically we had had a discussion about issues related to integrity earlier in the day. [​IMG]
     
  9. Big T

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    A few years back, I inadvertently called out two friends who had Tags (I have one). Anyhow, I had to have the battery replaced and sent it off to the Tag service center. Until I got it back, I had a bill of $120.00. Naturally, I felt as if I got bent over and took one up the rear.

    Anyhow to my friends who also wore what looked like Tags. I complained to one about the cost of changing the battery (the watch was also cleaned and something else replaced), and that friend very sheepishly said his watch was a fake. Interesting, as I didn't think this fellow a poser! So, to my other friend, prepared with the knowledge of outing the first, I said the same thing. He very unabashedly said his Tag was a fake and that he would never pay the cost of the real deal (although he clearly could have, but the first guy couldn't). I told him I was a dumb ass that did pay for the real deal and at an authorized store to boot.

    Takes all kinds.
     
  10. Oleg

    Oleg Senior member

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    panerai = other people perceive you as douche/poser


    replica rolex = only I know. I think I can live with that. Other people still perceive me as a classy Rolex guy.


    Hmmmm. Maybe you're right. I don't suppose you could point me in the direction of a handy supplier of these items, could you? You could? What an astonishing coincidence. What luck that I stumbled across this thread.
     
  11. Metlin

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    A few years back, I inadvertently called out two friends who had Tags (I have one). Anyhow, I had to have the battery replaced and sent it off to the Tag service center. Until I got it back, I had a bill of $120.00. Naturally, I felt as if I got bent over and took one up the rear.

    Anyhow to my friends who also wore what looked like Tags. I complained to one about the cost of changing the battery (the watch was also cleaned and something else replaced), and that friend very sheepishly said his watch was a fake. Interesting, as I didn't think this fellow a poser! So, to my other friend, prepared with the knowledge of outing the first, I said the same thing. He very unabashedly said his Tag was a fake and that he would never pay the cost of the real deal (although he clearly could have, but the first guy couldn't). I told him I was a dumb ass that did pay for the real deal and at an authorized store to boot.

    Takes all kinds.


    Most high-end jewelry stores will replace the battery for you (especially if they aer authorized Tag dealers) at a much lower price point.
     
  12. Gwarg

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    I used to have a fake Tag, but whenever I wore it I felt very conscious that I was wearing a fake watch. Luckily it broke so now I have an excuse to get a new (real) watch.
     
  13. Reevolving

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    CDFS, Nice find on the Parnis. Thanks for posting. I like the blue on white style. For $80, this will be the next watch in my collection. [​IMG]
     
  14. hobscrk777

    hobscrk777 Senior member

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    What about so-called "homage" watches? Some homages are more unique than others. Take this Steinhart as an example of one that's a pretty direct interpretation of a Rolex. Classy-looking watch I'd say, but we all know where the inspiration is coming from. [​IMG] By way of contrast, this Orient is one that clearly uses similar design cues, but makes more of an independent statement. [​IMG]
     
  15. Metlin

    Metlin Senior member

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    ^^^ Jesus H. Christ, man. Please take that picture off the page, and include a link or something. That's just way too big.
     
  16. adaylate

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    Personally, if you can't afford the expensive stuff, just get something that is in your price range that looks nice enough. Fakes are not the way to go.
     
  17. TheWraith

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    What about so-called "homage" watches? Some homages are more unique than others.

    Take this Steinhart as an example of one that's a pretty direct interpretation of a Rolex. Classy-looking watch I'd say, but we all know where the inspiration is coming from.


    I'd add Debaufre to that list as well, if you're looking for a Submariner homage watch that looks very much like the original that inspired it.

    By way of contrast, this Orient is one that clearly uses similar design cues, but makes more of an independent statement.

    For this, I'd also add the new Christopher Ward C60 Trident automatic watch. Clearly uses design cues (from both the Submariner and the Omega Seamaster), but also makes something of an independent statement. I recently bought a Trident and I can attest to its quality.
     
  18. CDFS

    CDFS Senior member

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    CDFS,
    Nice find on the Parnis.
    Thanks for posting.
    I like the blue on white style.
    For $80, this will be the next watch in my collection.


    [​IMG] I'll await your critiques before taking the plunge. (Other priorities at the moment)
     
  19. hobscrk777

    hobscrk777 Senior member

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    I'd add Debaufre to that list as well, if you're looking for a Submariner homage watch that looks very much like the original that inspired it.

    I guess what I'm asking here is how close is too close? I don't own a Sub homage, but I'd wager a guess that if I walked around with that Steinhart on my wrist, or a similar Debaufre, 9/10 people would stop to ask me if I'm wearing a Rolex.
     
  20. Trigger

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    I guess what I'm asking here is how close is too close? I don't own a Sub homage, but I'd wager a guess that if I walked around with that Steinhart on my wrist, or a similar Debaufre, 9/10 people would stop to ask me if I'm wearing a Rolex.

    Wouldn't be too sure, I've worn a real Sub for ages and no-one ever asked if it was a Rolex.
     

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